Are you playing full manual? I am convinced the AI plays more competitively when i switch from manual shooting to advanced or basic - Superstar full manual in my cup is far more passive than when i switch to advanced shooting. The AI starts to attack more put people will say its placebo which im ok with
eFootball PES 2020 Discussion Thread (PS4/Xbox One)
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AntonyC_PESCustomFaces
League 2
- 2 December 2019
PES 2017 is FANTASTIC. I have recently joined this forum and would like to share my efforts of updating 2017 to 2020 Kits, Players, Teams and Tactics...
https://evo-web.co.uk/threads/ps4-pes-2017-updated-to-2020-file-link.81964/#post-3498287
Even switching from pa1 to manual passing reduces the AI intensity so I'm not surprised by this...
Dennis_87
Physics n' Animations Fan
- 27 September 2017
Every difficulty level has its pros and cons.
If you play on lower difficulties,you'll have these issues you've described.If you play on higher difficulties then you'll have other issues where sometimes medium teams play better than they should.Although between these two options i still prefer the higher difficulties and i always play on Superstar wnen i play offline.
Matt10
International
- 5 February 2004
Even with DP4, I'm still finding myself bored of this game. I spent an hour yesterday downloading graphic mods, etc, for the PC, but when the ball starts moving - it's just...blah. There is an emptiness that sets in and just puts me to sleep. The game looks gorgeous, but the robotic gameplay just feels like groundhog day - pass, pass, turn, shoot. Cross, defended, players running away from the ball. Space for days between midfield and defensive line that means when the ball is deflected away it's at least 20 yards till the next player picks it up. There's just no cohesion and no risk to pass the ball forwards.
Sobakus
League 2
- 1 October 2018
@hitmanuk I play on the default settings, so PA1 passing and regular shooting.
@Dennis_87 Idk I always play on professional, but this only happens sometimes and it seems like it comes in streaks. And normally professional is just the right challenge for me, but I will try top player soon.
Earlier, I loaded up the save again and played the other three games. And what a difference. Now, it actually felt like I am using an underdog team. Opponents were more aggressive and dangerous, plus they have better players. I had to play my hardest and the games turned out even - it was an exchange of blows. With Arsenal I lost 1:2, but it could have been 3:3, because we both had a bunch of great chances, including a perfect bicycle-shot from Lacazette that my keeper saved. Benfica was a little easier. I was the more dominant team, but Benfica was now threatening, unlike the first game when it had no shots and didnt even get near my box once. I made a mistake in the very end and lost 0:1. So here I am complaining that the opponents are too timid, yet by round 6 I am already eliminated.
The only difference I know of: yesterday, I played while my Playstation was not connected to the internet. Today, I connected it so that I can download players added by Konami's latest update and they can be in my free agents. And just went to play with the internet still there. By the time I played my second session, I disconnected it again. I read here awhile ago that someone alleged differences in gameplay when connected to the internet, or live update turned on, or something like that. It could be conspiracy theory, but there may be something to it. I will make tests.
@Dennis_87 Idk I always play on professional, but this only happens sometimes and it seems like it comes in streaks. And normally professional is just the right challenge for me, but I will try top player soon.
Earlier, I loaded up the save again and played the other three games. And what a difference. Now, it actually felt like I am using an underdog team. Opponents were more aggressive and dangerous, plus they have better players. I had to play my hardest and the games turned out even - it was an exchange of blows. With Arsenal I lost 1:2, but it could have been 3:3, because we both had a bunch of great chances, including a perfect bicycle-shot from Lacazette that my keeper saved. Benfica was a little easier. I was the more dominant team, but Benfica was now threatening, unlike the first game when it had no shots and didnt even get near my box once. I made a mistake in the very end and lost 0:1. So here I am complaining that the opponents are too timid, yet by round 6 I am already eliminated.
The only difference I know of: yesterday, I played while my Playstation was not connected to the internet. Today, I connected it so that I can download players added by Konami's latest update and they can be in my free agents. And just went to play with the internet still there. By the time I played my second session, I disconnected it again. I read here awhile ago that someone alleged differences in gameplay when connected to the internet, or live update turned on, or something like that. It could be conspiracy theory, but there may be something to it. I will make tests.
Martovic
League 2
- 7 June 2019
king is back in milan ole 
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
One thing that says a lot about this game,and it was the same for 19 (probably 18 too) is that you don't get any blow outs,either way.
I don't beat teams with 5-1 every now and then,or get beaten by that if I have a shit team.
It's like a wet cloth hanging over everything making it equally even ,and the 1-0/1-1/2-1/2-2 are the most common results.
Just like trying to keep a clean sheet on Pes 19,hardly happend.
I'm talking about professional/TP difficulty here.
I don't beat teams with 5-1 every now and then,or get beaten by that if I have a shit team.
It's like a wet cloth hanging over everything making it equally even ,and the 1-0/1-1/2-1/2-2 are the most common results.
Just like trying to keep a clean sheet on Pes 19,hardly happend.
I'm talking about professional/TP difficulty here.
Don't get me started on team spirit. I wish it was gone.
The lack of proper positional awareness in this game is unfortunate.
Go back? Baby I never left
Personally I'd rather have them both lol
Here me out. This sounds crazy but when you first switch to -2, it's super slow. But then it fixes itself the next match and stops looking like it's in slow motion lol
I was with you until you said you support Liverpool. Jk mate I echo got sentiments.
You managed to say everything I've said up till now but in 900 fewer words lol
Sorry I quoted a lot of people. The last 2 days I've been forced to be social lol
Ameppe
International
- 23 December 2007
- SSC Napoli
For me it's mostly lack of fouls, lack of physicality, lack of midfield.
- Staff
- #9,162
I can't "like" this post enough times! I often think about this.
I think it says an awful lot about the game, that every game is so finely balanced. That's not a good thing - some real-life football matches, e.g. Man City v West Ham the other day, are horribly balanced (20+ shots to a couple). It's the objective of football, pretty much!
But PES doesn't represent this - it represents Man City by letting you run quickly, but the illusion of dribbling is smashed when the opposition just "hold X to win the ball" - and it represents West Ham by making your players stiff, laggy and unresponsive (every button press taking 2+ seconds to happen).
Good players aren't good players because they're fast.
Bad players aren't bad players because they're on heavy sedatives.
It's stiff, it's robotic, it's the opposite of "free" and "organic". But... If the opposition defend, you do have to build up the play - and when you're defending, your reading of the game and use of the secondary press button can make all the difference.
Yes, the midfield is an abyss sometimes - and yes, long balls to the forwards are always a good, cheap idea because of how successful they are (which is why the AI does it 10x per game). But I'm finding I have to *think* a lot more (rather than rely on pace and a skill-stick) than I do with any current football game (excluding Football Manager, obviously).
Yes, I'm lowering my standards to enjoy a football game this year... But hey... That's the modern era for ya.
Also, the gameplay mods make a world of difference (I've avoided them up until a couple of weeks ago, and I was a fool). They're even looking at modding positional AI at the minute.
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
@Chris Davies i got blown away last night when starting up a different football game (18 and not Pes) and the difference in how I could perform all sorts of things,and actually blowing my opponent (Ingolstadt) away with 4-0,so refreshing!
Last time I could do this (on Pes) was Pes 17,which I'm tempted to get back to.
Last time I could do this (on Pes) was Pes 17,which I'm tempted to get back to.
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
@aderow I know I'll get used to -2 fast,but animations suffers as well on that speed.
But it's the only option,unless it's rainy then -1 will do just fine.
Yeah I never really left either,my 9 seasons with Milan is still waiting for my return
But it's the only option,unless it's rainy then -1 will do just fine.
Yeah I never really left either,my 9 seasons with Milan is still waiting for my return
Illyrian cultist
Non-League
- 22 October 2019
Alright maybe Im not in the right place to ask this, but can anyone direct me to a trustable ps4 option file website? I found out about PES universe but basically they want you to pay for the mod, which idk how Konami lets a third party monetize their assets but I digress, is there a different website for it? Much appreciated.
Sobakus
League 2
- 1 October 2018
Konami benefits greatly from the likes of pesuniverse and editemos. It tries to support them.
I have had occasional big wins/losses, like 4+ goals difference, but it's rare indeed.
I have had occasional big wins/losses, like 4+ goals difference, but it's rare indeed.
slamsoze
International
- 28 September 2010
Try pesfutebol.com for an all in one collection, pesworld for a complete OF or some best of everything OFs in pesgaming.com like nicoultras etc,etc.
on pesgaming there are also separate pieces of OFs like classics, other leagues etc from Buckshot, Phillip the guy with Portuguese and lesser leagues, the guys with all NT etc.
About the dificulty levels discussion... I know for sure how it works, as I´ve been constantly changing between Pro, TP and SS, PA0 and PA1. The way I see it, levels change how the CPU plays, the agression and attacking awareness, but it looks like it doesn´t change much on the matches outcome. That´s why I have so many matches on PRO, where I totally dominate the oponent, but barely win. CPU does get way softer, less agressive, like they don´t care about the result, even when loosing, but somehow I need to shoot 10 times on target to get a goal. If I play SS, I only need like 3 attempts on target to score, but defending is harder as well.
Levels change the way the match flows, but there´s still something under the hood trying to dictate the result of each match no matter wich level you choose.. That´s what´s taking me away from this game wright now.
Levels change the way the match flows, but there´s still something under the hood trying to dictate the result of each match no matter wich level you choose.. That´s what´s taking me away from this game wright now.
You can download it for free on their Spanish website:
https://pesuniverse.es/pesuniverse-option-file/
There's certainly 'physicality' with the way animations trigger the second player models getting within a certain radius of the ball character but it doesn't lead to as many fouls as it should imo. Players aren't allowed to just grab and hold other players for seconds at a time irl. The ref will call a foul at some point. That doesn't happen in game.
The holes in midfield are just ridiculous. Same thing year after year.
Well said. That just goes back to our conversation about the nature of the AI and whether it being passive is by design.
Maybe it's because I use player cam, it looks faster at pitch level, but fair enough I get what you're saying.
It certainly impacts the result in BAL and fixed cursor lol. I played a few matches on legend difficulty and I watch my AI teammates get made a fool out of by Norwich. Norwich ended with 70% possession and Pukki scored 4 goals in the first half.
I play them again on professional and I'm 3-0 in 15 minutes.
Don't get me wrong I've had matches on pro that I've dominated but struggled to score, but the vast majority of them ended up being completely one sided so I had to stop playing on pro
Dennis_87
Physics n' Animations Fan
- 27 September 2017
That's why i always recommend playing 15 min games or even 20 min if you want to have a ''real match'' feeling.
On 10 min games there's just not enough time and you're kinda ''forced'' to play quicker to be able to create something or score.
On longer matches you have the freedom and ease to not rush your play as much and you can play more realistically in a way and also having more time for chances to be created and goals to be scored without having this feel that the clock is ticking and time's running out as much as you have with 10 min.
The online side of the game could also see these benefits if the default match time was 15 min.Maybe it could even transform the gameplay for the better if the approach was one of a more calmer realistic 15 min matches without the usual bullshit of PA3 and such.
I'm pretty sure that some things like big middle field gaps etc are happening because they want to fit enough ''fun'' and ''excitement'' in 10 minutes.So the whole approach and philisophy of the game could change with longer matches in mind.
Although i don't see it happening any time soon because it would be probably considered as boring and too much for most casuals so..
One positive thing that i can see though from this thing that you say is that the game is becoming less arcady by the years in terms of rhythm and movement at least.Because if not enough things are happening and not enough goals are being scored in a short match,it shows that the flow is more realistic and the movement not so hectic and superhuman to be able to allow much chances and goals in a short match like it could be the case in some previous versions.So if you see it from this persepective,it slowly but steadily becomes a bit less arcady at least year by year.Maybe less ''fun'' also for some people,but i'll take that for a more realistic approach.
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
Yeah I never play anything shorter than 20 min.
Its to rushed otherwise
I actually play 25 minutes, for derbies I'll play 30 minutes sometimes. I feel 25 minutes is ideal in-terms of letting the game flow. Less robotic movements, more build-ups, etc.
I play FUMA SS and there is definitely ebbs-and-flows to each game. Games still are 1-0, 2-1, etc. nothing crazy score-line wise which I actually like. I guess be nature the game will have an less robotic feel when it has to spread the goals out over 25 minutes total haha.
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
Might test a game on 25 min,how's the fatigue?
Think it's pretty much left of the players on 20 min.
Played 5-6 games on SS (league) and think that difficulty plays pretty good,a lot of errors from the CPU, more than on TP.
I haven’t played less then 20 minutes but fatigue on 25 seems on par. I tend to play with aggressive fullbacks, around 60 minutes one is low green, if not red depending.
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
Sounds good,I'll deffo give it a go next time I start up my Pes 20
Thanks
Hey guys, guess I´ll try SS on FUMA and bigger matches... who knows?
But what about random fatigue on the game? Have you guys noticed that on some matches, almost all payers are tired on your gameplan, even the ones that haven´t played for the last two or three weeks? How I´m I suposed to manage team fatigue then? Sometimes I leave a good player on the bench for one match, so that I can use him on the next cup match, only to find him equally tired then. Seriously these things are really stupid and make me wonder why I still want to enjoy this game.
But what about random fatigue on the game? Have you guys noticed that on some matches, almost all payers are tired on your gameplan, even the ones that haven´t played for the last two or three weeks? How I´m I suposed to manage team fatigue then? Sometimes I leave a good player on the bench for one match, so that I can use him on the next cup match, only to find him equally tired then. Seriously these things are really stupid and make me wonder why I still want to enjoy this game.
If you play genpress your players get tired quickly. For some reason Trent AA gets tired the quickest for Liverpool, followed by the midfielders - zer energy levelsHey guys, guess I´ll try SS on FUMA and bigger matches... who knows?
But what about random fatigue on the game? Have you guys noticed that on some matches, almost all payers are tired on your gameplan, even the ones that haven´t played for the last two or three weeks? How I´m I suposed to manage team fatigue then? Sometimes I leave a good player on the bench for one match, so that I can use him on the next cup match, only to find him equally tired then. Seriously these things are really stupid and make me wonder why I still want to enjoy this game.
Thiago Maycon
Apaixonado por PES
Entenda por que a Conmebol tem os direitos sobre os clubes no FIFA
I made a post explaining a little about this bullshit between Conmembol x Konami partner clubs
http://todowebrasil.blogspot.com/2020/02/entenda-porque-conmebol-tem-direitos.html
I made a post explaining a little about this bullshit between Conmembol x Konami partner clubs
http://todowebrasil.blogspot.com/2020/02/entenda-porque-conmebol-tem-direitos.html