European Top 24 Clubs .....

RuneEdge said:
No point explaining it to him, Sulph. He's only disagreeing with you because he's defending his country, thats all. The standard in EPL is much higher than at Ligue. Which is why Sulph rightly pointed out, we get 4 teams to qualify for the CL and you lot dont.
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i gotta agree there, sorry thomas, especially smaller teams in EPL are much stronger than small teams in ligue 1.more money, better players, etc.

just compare the line up of lets say...troyes, nancy, ajaccio, and so on with those of west ham, west bromwich, fulham etc.

both groups are low in their leagues, but quality of players is just much much higher in epl.no offense to ligue 1 anyway, but imo that'S the ligue with the weakest "small" sides out of the european top 5 ;)
 
i dont know what kind of problem you guys have.this is a system by eurosport and the team that gets the most victories gets also the points.

this has nothing to do with the league.

and btw, except chelsea i cant see any english team that is better than lyon at the moment.
 
Ernestito said:
i dont know what kind of problem you guys have.this is a system by eurosport and the team that gets the most victories gets also the points.

this has nothing to do with the league.

and btw, except chelsea i cant see any english team that is better than lyon at the moment.
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Yes but its easier for Lyon to get victories because they will play easier opponents in their league.
 
Sulph said:
Yes but its easier for Lyon to get victories because they will play easier opponents in their league.
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thats not right.you have to know that for lyon its more difficult to play teams in their own league because they are known very well.

and for lyon its easier to play real madrid instead of paris or marseille.

thats the story.european cups are always different.

and if the english is that good, why cant we see teams of the premiership in semi finals or even finals in the uefa cup or in the champions league?

the last english team (except chelsea, manchester, liverpool) in a semi final of an european cup i can remember is leeds united in 2001.

marseille played uefa cup final in 2004, bordeaux played uefa cup final in 1996 (coming from the intertoto cup !!!), lyon was great last season, monaco played champions league final in 2004.you know what i mean now?
 
Sulph said:
Yes but its easier for Lyon to get victories because they will play easier opponents in their league.
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Please stop about the Ligue level, that is stupid :roll:
Remember the last British team beat french one ?
I remember just Sochaux 1 or 2 years ago

Manchester United 0 - 0 Lille (2005) draw
Monaco 3 - 1 Chelsea (2004) win
Chelsea 2 - 2 Monaco (2004) draw
Marseille 2 - 0 Newcastle (2004) win
Newcastle 0 - 0 Marseille (2004) draw
Liverpool 1 - 1 Marseille (2004) draw
Marseille 2 - 1 Liverpool (2004) win

Results of the 2 last seasons
 
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ThomasGOAL said:
Please stop about the Ligue level, that is stupid :roll:
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I watched quite a bit of the French league the past season and I feel forced to agree with the majority here - Everton vs Metz, #20 in the English vs #20 in the French league, would definitely go to the former, for an example. I know you want to defend your country, but there is a point where that becomes childish and silly.
 
European Top 24 Clubs - after the CL and UEFA

1 Lyon 54
2 Bayern 49
3 Chelsea 48
4 Arsenal 40
5 Juventus 39
6 Fenerbahce 35
7 Real Madrid 33
8 Inter Milan 33
9 Man United 32
10 Milan 31
11 Barcelona 31
12 PSV Eindhoven 31
13 Liverpool 31
14 Glasgow Rangers 28
15 Brugge 27
16 Ajax 26
17 Bremen 25
18 Benfica 25
19 Porto 23
20 Schalke 23
21 Lille 22
22 Villarreal 18
23 Betis 18
24 Olympiakos 15
 
1 Lyon 57
2 Bayern Munich 52
3 Chelsea 49
4 Juventus Turin 45
5 Arsenal 43
6 Fenerbahçe 38
7 FC Barcelone 37
8 Milan AC 37
9 Inter Milan 36
10 PSV Eindhoven 34
11 Real Madrid 33
12 Manchester United 33
13 Glasgow Rangers 31
14 Liverpool 31
15 Benfica 28
16 FC Bruges 28
17 Werder Brême 26
18 Porto 26
19 Ajax 26
20 Lille 25
21 Villarreal 24
22 Schalke 04 24
23 Betis 18
24 Olympiakos 15
 
Sulph said:
Stupid because the french league is nothing compared to the English.
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Sorry but :

LILLE : 1
MAN UTD : 0

:lmao: :lmao: LESSON OF TEAMWORK :lmao: :lmao:

lille gave manchester a lesson of teamwork and football
 
Man U are playing piss its as simple as , but lets get this sorted the french league is the fourth best in Europe. Simple , true and fact deal with that.
 
1 Lyon 72
2 Bayern Munich 58
3 Juventus Turin 57
4 Arsenal 56
5 FC Barcelone 52
6 Chelsea 52
7 PSV Eindhoven 49
8 Real Madrid 48
9 Inter Milan 47
10 Liverpool 46
11 Fenerbahçe 44
12 Milan AC 43
13 FC Bruges 40
14 Werder Brême 38
15 Lille 38
16 Glasgow Rangers 37
17 Villarreal 34
18 Schalke 04 36
19 Ajax 36
20 Manchester United 36
21 Benfica 30
22 Porto 30
23 Betis Séville 28
24 Olympiakos 21
 
Cloud1863 said:
Man U are playing piss its as simple as , but lets get this sorted the french league is the fourth best in Europe. Simple , true and fact deal with that.
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Actually considering the overall quality, I'd say the French league is a tougher league than the Premiership is.
 
We'll never know if smaller teams from different countries are stonger because they will never play, I watch a bit of french football on C4 and the smaller teams don't look too bad, everyone is ofcourse going to stick up for the league from thier country so I'll say this as a fact, the top 5 SPL teams move to England not one of them would be relegated. ;) They'd be two in the top 6 aswell. :p
 
1 Lyon 132
2 Juventus 131
3 Barcelona 121
4 Chelsea 111
5 Milan 109
6 Arsenal 107
7 Inter Milan 104
8 Bayern 101
9 PSV Eindhoven 100
10 Benfica 91
11 Liverpool 91
12 Schalke 87
13 AZ Alkmaar 86
14 Ajax 86
15 Real Madrid 86
16 Roma 81
17 Bremen 81
18 Man United 81
19 Zenit St Petersburg 81
20 Villarreal 79
21 Rangers 79
22 Brugge 74
23 CSKA Moscow 70
24 Lokomotiv Moscow 70
 
I think the name of this topic is wrong. It should me European Top 24 TEAMS and not CLUBS. If you look at clubs you look at the whole history regarding achievements. If you look at teams you look at it this moment and this moment Barcelona is the best and behind them Juventus and Olympique Lyon in my eyes. Best clubs are Real Madrid, AC Milan, Liverpool and Ajax.
 
Amsterdammer said:
I think the name of this topic is wrong. It should me European Top 24 TEAMS and not CLUBS. If you look at clubs you look at the whole history regarding achievements. If you look at teams you look at it this moment and this moment Barcelona is the best and behind them Juventus and Olympique Lyon in my eyes. Best clubs are Real Madrid, AC Milan, Liverpool and Ajax.
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European Top 24 Clubs 05/06 if you prefer :)
 
I don't understand why Lille don't in this top 24 :roll:

exemple :

51 pts = Ligue 1
14 pts = Lille win vs Sevilla, Shaktar (+ 1 draw) in UEFA Cup
18 pts = Draw vs Villareal, Manchester United & Befinca, win vs Machester United

= 83 pts :roll: 16th
 
Don't try to understand Fifa's way of doing things Thomas! You'll hurt yourself ;)

Logic isn't exactly always the biggest factor in their decisions and so you're better off just seeing something and calling it BS or agreeing but don't bother trying to understand why they do things this way.
 
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