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No Gerd, that doctor was later aquitted after all. More specifically, Agricola was aquitted later after he was sentenced.Stan said:The epo thing WAS proven Don, Juve's doctor(and only him which support conspiracy theories) was sentenced for it...
dejsav said:juventus steal always
moggi buy referees
Hey, what was that team, that got relegated to Serie B back in the eighties(could have been the late seventies, my memory is shot), for doing that thing Juventus "supposedly" does, you know buying matches, oh yeah AC MILAN.dejsav said:juventus steal always
moggi buy referees
nice point, the same sentence should be given to juv as you requested.Rocky29 said:Hey, what was that team, that got relegated to Serie B back in the eighties(could have been the late seventies, my memory is shot), for doing that thing Juventus "supposedly" does, you know buying matches, oh yeah AC MILAN.
Fact is, all you haters out there say Juve buy this, they buy that, but there is no proof. Yet it was Milan people, yes Milan who were relegated to the serie B cus their president at the time did guess what? FIX MATCHES. That's right people, pure, wholesome Milan were relegated cus they fixed matches. so haters, especially naive, Culan fans like you Dejsav, should get your facts straight. You know where Culan would be if it wasnt for Berlusconi? Serie B. Until there is proof, and not fabricated media bullshit, unitl Juve are relegated to serie B, then talk, cus the truth is, you guys are just jealous, and we're too damn good.
what the hell are you on about, you obviously clearly missed my point.timmylv said:nice point, the same sentence should be given to juv as you requested.
A second thought, NO, let juv be the champion (I'm pretty sure they will, and this investment will end for nothing as usual). why not? that what's Serie A deserves. milan, inter, roma, & etc all go to serie B if juv does not want them to compete. and next time juv could 100% sure to dump their strips, cus stars will be all over their jersey. and next time get urself a better ref in the CL final, if u could make that far.
really? then I cannot help you with that...Rocky29 said:what the hell are you on about, you obviously clearly missed my point.
In November 2004 judge Guaraniello found the Juventus doctor guilty of supplying and administering illegal substances including Epo, although the club itself escaped punishment.Don Domenico said:No Gerd, that doctor was later aquitted after all. More specifically, Agricola was aquitted later after he was sentenced.
Yes, of course you are right. Though my point was that juve was not guilty, it was not illegal.Stan said:In November 2004 judge Guaraniello found the Juventus doctor guilty of supplying and administering illegal substances including Epo, although the club itself escaped punishment.
In 2005 the appeal case came for and indeed Juventus and doctor Giraudo won because... at the time of administration most of the drugs wer enot on the list of forbidden substances (they were in 2004).
That's why Juventus and their medical staff were acquitted and perhaps this was a fair decision in appeal, but the fact that EPO was provided remains proven Don...
At the same trial Zinedine Zidane conceded that he had taken creatina (when playing for Juventus) which is whatcyclist use as a more prefect and not traceable form of EPO (several cyclists are banned for years due to creatina, Dario Frigo is the most famous example..)
I'll take a look at it, thanks for the tip.Stan said:Source: Calcio - A History of Italian Football by John Foot (a book you would love Don).
I agree.Stan said:Football needs NBA rules, open accounting, draft system....
Again, nothing official yet.dejsav said:"hi pairetto! i'm moggi, we want that referee, that's the car for you"
"for sure moggi, not a problem"
:lmao:
john elkann has expelled moggi and giraudo from juventus for next season
maybe we can watch a regular championship in 2007/08
Totaly agree with you on your point about Real, this is why I have very little respect for the club. I dont really like Barca but have respect for them in the way they have transformed as club over the last few years. TO me all these big clubs Real, Milan, Juve and even Chelsea are without a soul. The may attract the biggest players, win the most trophies and make the most money but they are missing something important. Man U, Liverpool, Barca etc are equal in the financial side, win trophies also but the most important fact is these teams are "proper" football teams.gerd said:Real Madrid had millions of debts until Perez came, then he set up some sort of hoax with the municidad de Madrid. The municidad bought Real Madrid's training complex for millions and returned it as a "gift" to Real...in a couple of days a club who was on the verge of bankrupt became immensely rich and could start buying galacticos...this is not fair...That way it's very easy to become the biggest club in the world...it isn't fair towards other Madrid club, it isn't fair towards other Spanish clubs ande it isn't fair towards other European clubs...that's why i don't like Real Madrid (as a club - i've nothing against the players and i even enjoyed their football - but at the start of the galactico team they had an unfair advantage).
Milan: simply Berlusconi, need i say more...
Juventus: explained this in this thread...
Sport should also be about ethics...
In America (NBA) all this could not be possible, clubs need open accounting over there...In a football world with open accounting and fair accounting a club like Real Madrid would not exist anymore....or at least would have been sanctioned instead...now Real Madrid has become one of the richest clubs in the world due to the galacticos...
By the way, i never mentioned Barcelona as cheaters...
Can nothing be done outside Italy???Don Domenico said:The end of an era. The triade(Moggi, Giraudo and Bettega) have handed in their resignation today. Juve revolution..
By the way, it seems these transcrips can't be used as evidence in the match-fixing scandal. One can't use the same evidence again, that has already been presented in a courtcase before, it Italy apparently.
That is not what happened.gerd said:Real Madrid had millions of debts until Perez came, then he set up some sort of hoax with the municidad de Madrid. The municidad bought Real Madrid's training complex for millions and returned it as a "gift" to Real...in a couple of days a club who was on the verge of bankrupt became immensely rich and could start buying galacticos...this is not fair...That way it's very easy to become the biggest club in the world...it isn't fair towards other Madrid club, it isn't fair towards other Spanish clubs ande it isn't fair towards other European clubs...that's why i don't like Real Madrid (as a club - i've nothing against the players and i even enjoyed their football - but at the start of the galactico team they had an unfair advantage).
Milan: simply Berlusconi, need i say more...
Juventus: explained this in this thread...
Sport should also be about ethics...
In America (NBA) all this could not be possible, clubs need open accounting over there...In a football world with open accounting and fair accounting a club like Real Madrid would not exist anymore....or at least would have been sanctioned instead...now Real Madrid has become one of the richest clubs in the world due to the galacticos...
By the way, i never mentioned Barcelona as cheaters...