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PC Gaming Thread

Chuny

GFX MOD
Staff
11 December 2007
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Found a pretty good article in regards to 4K vs 144Hz:- (Although the article is a couple of years old)

Productivity
Given I write a lot of reviews here at KitGuru, as part of that I spend a lot of time in Photoshop editing the photos I take myself. Because of that, having an IPS monitor has always been a ‘must’ for me, as I simply need the enhanced colour accuracy and viewing angles. In that regard, both monitors I’ve been using have been excellent, but it is definitely here that I miss the 4K monitor most. Not because of the colours – but because of the detail.

After all, 4K is 3840×2160 (a total of over 8 million pixels), while 1440p is 2560×1440 (3.6 million pixels). With my DSLR taking photos at 6000×4000 (24MP), dropping down to the 1440p monitor has meant I do lose out on quite a lot of detail from my photos. Part of that is negated by the fact that our review photos are not uploaded at native resolution (we downsize them to a more workable 2048px width) but even so, general photo viewing is noticeably better on a 4K monitor.

The same can be said for 4K video. When I watch some of my favourite YouTubers, for instance, a lot of them now upload videos in 4K – detail I can’t fully take advantage of with my 1440p monitor.

Therefore, I present my first mini-conclusion: for those purely interested in content-creation, photography or photo editing, I would definitely recommend the increased pixel count of a 4K monitor. The extra sharpness is just vital for those tasks, and it is definitely something that I miss.

Gaming
However, productivity is only half the story, and when it comes to gaming there is a different outcome. My AGON AG271QG sports an overclockable refresh-rate of up to 165Hz which crushes the standard 60Hz of the older 4K ASUS panel.

When gaming, the difference really is night and day. Everything is just so much smoother at the higher refresh-rate, and G-Sync also keeps things nice and tear-free. I did notice tearing previously in the few instances where I managed over 60FPS at 4K, as I would never use V-sync due to the stuttering that occurs when the frame-rate drops below 60.

There are two points to mention about gaming, though, and the first does come back to loss of detail. I do notice the lessened detail at 1440p, compared against the 4K monitor, though I notice it far less while gaming than when photo editing. The picture is still nice and sharp, though, and I definitely prefer having slightly less detail but a much higher refresh-rate as the overall experience is simply more satisfying.

For those who are keen FPS gamers, the higher refresh-rate is far more important than the higher resolution, too, as it makes fast-paced aiming and firing much more manageable. The loss of detail won’t hurt your gaming performance, whereas 165Hz vs 60Hz does bring tangible performance improvements.

Matthew Wilson, our Senior News Editor, concurs. He tells me that he previously gamed at 4K/60, but eventually dropped the cash on a 1440p/144Hz ASUS ROG Swift. In his words, ‘it was a step forward for me. The picture isn’t quite as finely detailed but the difference in how smooth everything is, is a game-changer’.

Now, the second thing to mention when gaming is what system you have. Personally, I am lucky enough to have an i7-5820K, 16GB DDR4 and a GTX 1080 Ti so I have been able to hit both 4K/60 and 1440p/144+ frame-rates. However, for those with older rigs, there is a good chance that both 4K/60 and 1440p/144+ will be out-of-reach, so bear that in-mind. Even then, though, the G-Sync feature of my new AGON helps keep things smooth even when the frame-rate does dip, so that is something to consider.

Conclusion
So, in a nutshell, the battle between the monitors looks like a draw – 4K is best for productivity, but high refresh-rate 1440p gaming is definitely superior to 4K/60FPS. It does come down to personal preference when deciding which to go for – but personally, I don’t regret making the switch one bit. My AG271QG still has great colour accuracy for my work, while gaming at 1440p/144hz (144fps with G-Sync, too) is simply a fantastic experience. I do miss the extra detail that a 4K monitor provides, particularly when watching videos, but for me the improved gaming experience outweighs that by far.

That being said, the days of 4K being limited to just 60Hz are now over. Launching later this year, we will see two new monitors from ASUS and Acer which will be 4K/144Hz, and that would be a truly phenomenal gaming experience – I can only imagine how immersive it would be to game with the detail of 4K coupled with the smoothness of a high refresh-rate monitor.

However, that brings us back to hardware limitations – not only will users have to shell out around $2000 for those monitors, but you would need a monster of a gaming rig to push 4K games at 144 frames per second. For the latest AAA titles, users would probably want to be looking at 2X GTX 1080s – at least – and ideally 2x GTX 1080 Tis. Two of those graphics cards alone will set you back another £1400+, so if you want to have 4K/144Hz, you will need very deep pockets indeed.

But, to conclude this article, I have opted for a high refresh-rate 1440p display over the extra detail that 4K provides. The good news is that 4K/144Hz monitors, for the ultimate gaming and productivity experience, are very nearly here. It will take time for the prices to come down to reasonable levels, but eventually we will get there. Until then, I’ll be very happy with my shiny new AGON AG271QG.
BTW, do you know how come there aren't any PREVIEWS/REVIEWS on the Samsung Odyssey G7 yet?.
It's just a month away and reviewers usually get them early so they can analyze them and (hopefully) help selling them.
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
BTW, do you know how come there aren't any PREVIEWS/REVIEWS on the Samsung Odyssey G7 yet?.
It's just a month away and reviewers usually get them early so they can analyze them and (hopefully) help selling them.
No idea, I was thinking the same sort of thing.
Reviewers normally have the monitors early, to do reviews, but I am not sure if this is due to the monitor being released in Europe before the US.

However I do find the lack of reviews a bit of a worry - Why haven't Samsung sent out early models for review, as it was first shown back in January.

Mine is due to arrive 3rd July, so still hoping reviews will be available before this date.
 

Chuny

GFX MOD
Staff
11 December 2007
Buenos Aires, Argentina
No idea, I was thinking the same sort of thing.
Reviewers normally have the monitors early, to do reviews, but I am not sure if this is due to the monitor being released in Europe before the US.

However I do find the lack of reviews a bit of a worry - Why haven't Samsung sent out early models for review, as it was first shown back in January.

Mine is due to arrive 3rd July, so still hoping reviews will be available before this date.
I wouldn't worry.
If the monitor was bad, the reviews would say so. I've seen plenty monitors get awful reviews.
So, they probably didn't get any units to review at all. Maybe the pandemic situation has slowed things down? I don't know.
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
Thanks for the review.

It is a shame though it isn't too in depth, it is more of a quick hands on, rather than a review.

Mine it due to arrive next Friday, so hopefully it will be good.
 

joaako1602

The 1975
30 October 2017
Hello! I'm looking for some help

I currently have an and a8 processor, with a grx 1050ti video card. 12 gb of ram ddr3, it works very well on gaming actually

I can play games like Detroit Become Human on full specs on 30 fps with almost no fps drops. But on certain games, like pes, it feel like the processor struggles a bit. I'm looking for a cheap/good processor on fm2+ socket but here in Argentina I can't find any decent. Jump to am4 isn't an option at the moment because of the amount of money. But maybe in a months it could be a possibility, what do you recommend for me?
 

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Team Heffernan
25 May 2003
Rego Park, Germany
Team Heffernan
Found this video:
Would that build have enough power to run PES2020 in 1440/60?!
What about future proofing of the MB? Maybe exchange the CPU for R5 later... is that possible?
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
@Chuny

I purchased it from Amazon at the beginning of the month, and been given a delivery date of next Friday, so looks like I will be testing it being hearing what reviews think of it.

I am sceptical of my decision now, as I think TBH, 4K 144Hz monitor is probably the way forward in this day and age.
 

Chuny

GFX MOD
Staff
11 December 2007
Buenos Aires, Argentina
@Chuny

I purchased it from Amazon at the beginning of the month, and been given a delivery date of next Friday, so looks like I will be testing it being hearing what reviews think of it.

I am sceptical of my decision now, as I think TBH, 4K 144Hz monitor is probably the way forward in this day and age.
Oh, I might have misunderstood you. I thought it was supposed to arrive last Friday.
Well, anyways... keep me posted mate. I'm very interested in knowing your experiences with it once it gets to you.
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
Oh, I might have misunderstood you. I thought it was supposed to arrive last Friday.
Well, anyways... keep me posted mate. I'm very interested in knowing your experiences with it once it gets to you.
I will def let you know, as someone who currently games on a 4K 60Hz monitor - I will let you know if the lost of detail is made up by games like BF5 probably reaching well over 100FPS @1440p
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
Not getting my new monitor anytime soon:-

We're still trying to obtain the item(s) which you ordered on June 10 2020 in Order# *************

"Samsung Odyssey LC32G75TQSUXEN 32" G75 1000R Curved Gaming Monitor - 240Hz, 1ms, 1440p QHD, Gsync, QLED, HDR600, HDMI, 2 x Displayport, USB"

We’ll email you as soon as we have a delivery date, and we’re making every effort to ship your order as soon as possible. If you would prefer, you can cancel this order:
 

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Team Heffernan
25 May 2003
Rego Park, Germany
Team Heffernan
Confirmed for PC release on August 7th, will be available on Steam and EPIC games store.

The PC version will have ultra-wide screen support, unlocked framerates, dynamic foliage, multiple graphical customisation options, improved reflections, controller options, benchmarking tool.

If there is a PC version coming then I would also expect a PS5 enhanced version to also be released later in the year - Although this has not been confirmed.

:APPLAUD:
 
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Team Heffernan
25 May 2003
Rego Park, Germany
Team Heffernan
Not getting my new monitor anytime soon:-

We're still trying to obtain the item(s) which you ordered on June 10 2020 in Order# *************

"Samsung Odyssey LC32G75TQSUXEN 32" G75 1000R Curved Gaming Monitor - 240Hz, 1ms, 1440p QHD, Gsync, QLED, HDR600, HDMI, 2 x Displayport, USB"

We’ll email you as soon as we have a delivery date, and we’re making every effort to ship your order as soon as possible. If you would prefer, you can cancel this order:
Have you heard about that one?
https://www.pcgamer.com/eve-spectrum-gaming-monitor-hdmi-2-1/
 

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Team Heffernan
25 May 2003
Rego Park, Germany
Team Heffernan
Yes, I was going to order one of them.

But if you look on Redit and other places the company have a terrible reputation and appears they just steal a lot of peoples money.
:SHOCK: O. K.

Press is all over that monitor and the company is shady?! What is happening in this world?! :SHAKE:
 

Chuny

GFX MOD
Staff
11 December 2007
Buenos Aires, Argentina
@Chuny

Found a couple of new reviews for it:-


LMAO
What are the odds?
I have been watching Linus' reviews all night!

I ALMOST (literally, almost) bought the Acer X27 two days ago.


I ended up not going through with it because I watched Linus' review on it and I understood that before doing that I'm going to have to wait for the 3080TI or 3090 to be released. Otherwise my current specs would never be able to run 4K + HDR games at decent FPS.
And getting a $2.000 + monitor only to be unable to use it to its full extent would be stupid.
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
New update on my monitor:-

Expected delivery - July 31st - September 9th...
So basically will arrive anytime in August, think I had enough TBH and will seriously consider the EVE Spectrum 144hz 4K.
 

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Team Heffernan
25 May 2003
Rego Park, Germany
Team Heffernan
hey guys,

can you recommend any WIFI/bluetooth card for PCI?!
I had a look at the following models but i'm not sure.

Gigabyte PCIe GC-WB1733D-I WLAN AC

Asus PCE-AC88 PCIe-Karte

what is needed (most important): the playstation DS4 and the new playstation DS controller should work with low latency under windows 10. so i'm not sure if BT4.0 or BT5. is the way to go...
on the wifi... not sure either; the router used to connect to is an old one. but better prepared for the future, right!? 2,4ghz would be fine right now. 5ghz would be nice to have! something between 500-2000 mbps...

what about usb dongles!? they could be half the price but i think a pci card will be the more quality oriented choice.

maybe a seperate product for bt and wifi would be better...

let me know please! :))
 
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Chris Davies

Chief PESsimist
Staff
14 May 2003
Tranmere Rovers
Does anyone have anyomre a dvd writer/reader in his PC anyomre? Just realized this myself that i dont have it for years :D
I decided on building a new PC a year ago (with @Placebo's help), I wouldn't need one any more, so bought a case without a slot for it.

Since then, I've had two family members ask if I can put their wedding videos on DVDs for them, and I've realised I can't burn discs for my old chipped PS2... I shouldn't have moved on so fast... :D
 

gabe.paul.logan

Retired Footballer
7 January 2007
Budapest
Hungary
I decided on building a new PC a year ago (with @Placebo's help), I wouldn't need one any more, so bought a case without a slot for it.

Since then, I've had two family members ask if I can put their wedding videos on DVDs for them, and I've realised I can't burn discs for my old chipped PS2... I shouldn't have moved on so fast... :D
Exactly this, just found some games on my pc for which i dont have discs and i wanted to check them out. They would still work on PS3 too with a little work around but damned i should be as tried PES5 on PS2 on CRT lately and it looked like 40FPS at least. :BORED:
It was smooth as butter, i wanted to check these other games too quickly.
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
hey guys,

can you recommend any WIFI/bluetooth card for PCI?!
I had a look at the following models but i'm not sure.

Gigabyte PCIe GC-WB1733D-I WLAN AC

Asus PCE-AC88 PCIe-Karte

what is needed (most important): the playstation DS4 and the new playstation DS controller should work with low latency under windows 10. so i'm not sure if BT4.0 or BT5. is the way to go...
on the wifi... not sure either; the router used to connect to is an old one. but better prepared for the future, right!? 2,4ghz would be fine right now. 5ghz would be nice to have! something between 500-2000 mbps...

what about usb dongles!? they could be half the price but i think a pci card will be the more quality oriented choice.

maybe a seperate product for bt and wifi would be better...

let me know please! :))
I personally have the ASUS PCE-AC88..
It is an absolutely fantastic card, but only worth the extra money if you have fast internet.

When I was using other Wi-fi cards and ones built on board, they would reach about 120 - 150MB per second, with the ASUS AC88, I get my full 350MB internet speed, it is lightning quick and has very good range.

I don't know about the Gigabyte.
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
Does anyone have anyomre a dvd writer/reader in his PC anyomre? Just realized this myself that i dont have it for years :D
Nope, upgraded my case about a year ago when I bought my i9.
Bought a case without a CD Drive slot, and was really really debating it at the time.
I have not gone to use my Blu-Ray burner since, and it is now collecting dust and might I say actually increasing in value.

Everything on PC now is digital distribution and even installing Windows now is done via USB - In a PC there is pretty much zero need for a DVD burner drive.
And if you do need one, then you can get USB DVD burners for about £15.
 

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Team Heffernan
25 May 2003
Rego Park, Germany
Team Heffernan
I personally have the ASUS PCE-AC88..
It is an absolutely fantastic card, but only worth the extra money if you have fast internet.

When I was using other Wi-fi cards and ones built on board, they would reach about 120 - 150MB per second, with the ASUS AC88, I get my full 350MB internet speed, it is lightning quick and has very good range.

I don't know about the Gigabyte.
Great.
I guess you mainboard handles the Bluetooth then. Any controller connected through that?
 
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