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PES 2019 Discussion Thread (PS4, XB1)

Alx1234

Premiership
26 July 2018
This year I went all vsCPU in MC, due to various reasons.

The first comes first problem of the mode vsCOM is that it is pretty shallow with lack of depth. I mean during the course of year, for a player who is interested only in collecting “cards” and managing clubs finances like me (contract s and GP), the only interesting staff you can do during a week was do the weekly mission campaign, which was one or two games at best , on regular and professional difficulty and after this only the blatant vsCOM match that levels up the difficulty wvery five wins. After all these almost nothing can CPU.
While IMHO it should give you the ability to play from a simple custom league or KONAMi cup vsCOM, using cloud teams, or even better, imagine you can set up a whole master league system inside MyCLUB, where you can play against cloud teams of other users , or original clubs COM controlled and in the same time acquire players with the usual MyClub spins, which means there is still the dynamics to spend GP and coins. I mean there is a whole ocean of possibility and they still limit you to 2-3 games weekly.

Except for the above, regarding challenging, once you start taking your OP players, me only from the logins and the vsCOM campaigns, I collected around 20 OP features players and 50 simple Black Ball players, and since your TS hits the 90’s which grows faster on MC than on ML, you will find easy up to TP , a little bit challenging on SS and ultra cheating on Legend.
The problem is again , that you can play these levels only in the vsCOM exhibition game.

In conclusion now that the 19 season is finished, there is not any interesting staff to do in MyClub vsCOM. Only if you are not bored of playing the same flat exhibition match.

PS: regarding the difficulty, there is of course always some type of script, but it is not as disgusting as ML. Example , in the rookie campaign in the first week, last year, there was a 3-stage knock out tourney. quarter-semi-final. The levels were Amateur-Regular-Professional. In the first game that was quarter final in Amateur mode, CPU went 3-3!!! And I won 5-3 in extra time. MArk here that I have not played vs Amateur level since PES 3 (2004). Although the game was hArd scripted and the Amateur com was cynical scoring 3on3, I equalized and came back. The next game semifinal was a little bit easier although Regular, I won 3-1 . On final against a professional level Liverpool which I waited to be a tough battle, I won 4-0 easily. Script overrides the game levels in the previous two stages. The rest games during year on professional were not a challenge to be honest.I lost only very few games due to low TeamSpirit or while using very bad white ball players for the first time.

Imagine that on ML I play strictly TopPlayer and above.So professional was not a problem for me.


Sorry for the long post, I pretty much describe you my MC season from last August since MAy. I believe that in today’s MC 2019, vsCOM there is almost nothing to do.

Mate you are an encyclopedia of PES knowledge - I love it and you are helping me immensely because my past addiction makes my mind picture all the possibilities of MyClub but it sounds like the potential remains unrealised.

If MyClub is what konami want us to play I was thinking perhaps they'd improved the mode last year and possibly playing vs COM would be the answer to ML. If done right, it could be fantastic!

But the dream stops there and its good to read your post. Thanks.
 

slamsoze

Champions League
28 September 2010
Mate you are an encyclopedia of PES knowledge - I love it and you are helping me immensely because my past addiction makes my mind picture all the possibilities of MyClub but it sounds like the potential remains unrealised.

If MyClub is what konami want us to play I was thinking perhaps they'd improved the mode last year and possibly playing vs COM would be the answer to ML. If done right, it could be fantastic!

But the dream stops there and its good to read your post. Thanks.
Fingers crossed they will add more content this year, as both PvE and PvP people complained about lack of content last year. The game shouts for better vsCOM farm mode or something equivalent to Squad Battles of FuT, or something similar.
 

slamsoze

Champions League
28 September 2010
And something really outdated by now, considering the eFootball 2020 madness. In my ML after 1,5 season in Livingston, i moved to Rangers, to try a team with official stadium after 1+ year of ML saves.
In the first hardcoded derby Celtic VS Rangers, the Celtic CPu was so aggressive, after 1000 matches i have played, it is the first time i see something like this. Even the biased referee couldn't help them at all. They made more than 10 dangerous fouls, resulting in one straight red card and one after second yellow. It was the first match i was hammered so hard, basically they Cobra Kai-ed my players, strike first, strike hard, no mercy! Dont remember other match in 19 with CPU conceding two Red Cards and earning so much fouls.
 

Sany023

Premiership
30 November 2008
Russia
Manchester United

Chris Davies

Chief PESsimist
Staff
14 May 2003
Tranmere Rovers
Anyone who knows what this is? Is there an Easter egg by someone or the developers? Only shows up in Maracanã
Absolutely no chance that's a developer thing. Otherwise we'd have heard about it by now and Konami would have been fined £1,000s for peddling erotic material to all ages.
 

Martijn Arendsen

Non-League
13 September 2018
Yes. I have Smoke Patch and EvoSwitcher, plus a couple of random face overhauls, so what could be the cause of this "easter egg" is beyond me. Don't get me wrong, I can see the humor in this, but still I'd like to know
 

Alx1234

Premiership
26 July 2018
Is there anything in this world, that can improve this game?
no idea - I just booted up a game a few times in the past few days in exh mode and saw the usual PES rabies i.e. as soon as you lose the ball the opponent CPU just goes straight towards goal....no build up, no passing back.

So I'm looking to turn rabies mode off.
 

slamsoze

Champions League
28 September 2010
no idea - I just booted up a game a few times in the past few days in exh mode and saw the usual PES rabies i.e. as soon as you lose the ball the opponent CPU just goes straight towards goal....no build up, no passing back.

So I'm looking to turn rabies mode off.
Here you are dude.

https://evo-web.co.uk/threads/pes-2019-tactics-discussion-real-teams-thread.79311


But still i believe this game has core problem in the CPU AI, which is beyond any fix. It's basically broken beyond repair.
 
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sonoman

Premiership
13 November 2003
México
Mexico / Türkiye
it's a shame the ratings were not updated for most of the teams this week. It's understandable altough i'd love to have liverpool with poor ratings for a change at least for a week.

I love that my favourite team has A rating and particularly the monster Dzyuba has A rating for this week. 😈
Actually most of the team got a great rating except for Ivanovic who got a "D" because he conceded a stupid penalty IRL.

I will (try to) terrorize defenses in Divisions even if i have to try and stop messi/suarez,mbappe/neymar, mane/salah, ronaldo/dybala 1-2'ing for 99% of the matches.

Fun week ahead, mates. (last with live player rating updates in who knows how long)

Zenit and Russia all the way.
 

Chris Davies

Chief PESsimist
Staff
14 May 2003
Tranmere Rovers
But still i believe this game has core problem in the CPU AI, which is beyond any fix. It's basically broken beyond repair.
It's like @Matt10 said earlier:


I downloaded Klash's 2020 tactics and yes, they make a positive difference, there's no doubt. But does it stop the AI passing back to the CB and then hitting a perfect 100-yard pass to the striker, who always perfectly chests it down, turns and runs at goal? It factually doesn't (I played four games in a row, and Leicester, West Ham, Man United and Arsenal all did it multiple times per game).

Just one example, of many (like the AI getting away with murderous fouls, players sprinting back to their formation-screen position because "transition play" just isn't part of the code, etc. etc. etc.) - it's the core of the code.

So much so, I played PES5 earlier today and lo-and-behold, I spotted a few familiar things and laughed out loud. AI long balls forward when you cut off a single passing lane, for example. This stuff has been around for a long old time.

But at least there's no "turn-shoot" goals, and there are (somewhat incredibly) more off-target, less-perfectly-powered passes. Constant AI pressing at least makes it feel like there's some transition. And some of the tactical options I swear are better integrated, and more powerful...



That's not to mention the defensive options (I forgot there were three defensive line options). Or the "original" version of "team spirit"...

 
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slamsoze

Champions League
28 September 2010
it's a shame the ratings were not updated for most of the teams this week. It's understandable altough i'd love to have liverpool with poor ratings for a change at least for a week.

I love that my favourite team has A rating and particularly the monster Dzyuba has A rating for this week. 😈
Actually most of the team got a great rating except for Ivanovic who got a "D" because he conceded a stupid penalty IRL.

I will (try to) terrorize defenses in Divisions even if i have to try and stop messi/suarez,mbappe/neymar, mane/salah, ronaldo/dybala 1-2'ing for 99% of the matches.

Fun week ahead, mates. (last with live player rating updates in who knows how long)

Zenit and Russia all the way.
I think you posted in the wrong place dude. :)
 

slamsoze

Champions League
28 September 2010
It's like @Matt10 said earlier:


I downloaded Klash's 2020 tactics and yes, they make a positive difference, there's no doubt. But does it stop the AI passing back to the CB and then hitting a perfect 100-yard pass to the striker, who always perfectly chests it down, turns and runs at goal? It factually doesn't (I played four games in a row, and Leicester, West Ham, Man United and Arsenal all did it multiple times per game).

Just one example, of many (like the AI getting away with murderous fouls, players sprinting back to their formation-screen position because "transition play" just isn't part of the code, etc. etc. etc.) - it's the core of the code.

So much so, I played PES5 earlier today and lo-and-behold, I spotted a few familiar things and laughed out loud. AI long balls forward when you cut off a single passing lane, for example. This stuff has been around for a long old time.

But at least there's no "turn-shoot" goals, and there are (somewhat incredibly) more off-target, less-perfectly-powered passes. Constant AI pressing at least makes it feel like there's some transition. And some of the tactical options I swear are better integrated, and more powerful...



That's not to mention the defensive options (I forgot there were three defensive line options). Or the "original" version of "team spirit"...

Love these tactics settings. I said it 1,000 times. Everything should be in, like a FM settings, both today’s and every older settings options.
Fun fact @Chris Davies on PES5 you said, it is the last time that on individual settings, on mark settings there were 3 options : zonal,manmaking and covering. Covering was making the DMF play like a libero in defense and covering every teammate overlap, EG you RB goes front the DMF covers his pos. in the 4 man line defense.

What i want to conclude is that, as you pointed in your screenshots, some thimgs the AI can't think of, you could force it to do with the appropriate settings.
 
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klashman69

Fight the Power!
28 November 2007
I Travel.
It's like @Matt10 said earlier:


I downloaded Klash's 2020 tactics and yes, they make a positive difference, there's no doubt. But does it stop the AI passing back to the CB and then hitting a perfect 100-yard pass to the striker, who always perfectly chests it down, turns and runs at goal? It factually doesn't (I played four games in a row, and Leicester, West Ham, Man United and Arsenal all did it multiple times per game).

Just one example, of many (like the AI getting away with murderous fouls, players sprinting back to their formation-screen position because "transition play" just isn't part of the code, etc. etc. etc.) - it's the core of the code.

So much so, I played PES5 earlier today and lo-and-behold, I spotted a few familiar things and laughed out loud. AI long balls forward when you cut off a single passing lane, for example. This stuff has been around for a long old time.

But at least there's no "turn-shoot" goals, and there are (somewhat incredibly) more off-target, less-perfectly-powered passes. Constant AI pressing at least makes it feel like there's some transition. And some of the tactical options I swear are better integrated, and more powerful...



That's not to mention the defensive options (I forgot there were three defensive line options). Or the "original" version of "team spirit"...


That long ball manouver is the scripted CPU 'Player Roles' tactic used when there's a 'goal poacher'.

The AI do this a bit in general as the AI look to capitalize on anyone whos unmarked as far forward as possible, the AI pump long passes A LOT when you have Long-Pass setup but with the 'Goal Poacher' trait, that striker essentially plays with his back towards goal all game, almost ignores whatever the team tactic is in buildup, stays central and looks for any opening to shoot, hence the 'turn and shoot' goals happening all the time. I have a video which will show just how powerful this effect is and why if we can have a podcast its something i will discuss in detail among with a bigger point in the overall piss poor Konami marketing and organisation of PES in general as a complete product.

'Fox in the Box and Target man have a 'similar' effect but only target man encourages the same frequency of long balls. The issue isn't to take away Goal Poacher for strikers, its for the Database guys to not give it to every single number 9 for the sake of it. Along with possibly a function to dictate or remove player roles in certain tactic settings.
 

philip_lud

Non-League
20 March 2020
I'm not really sure how evoweb works, I was recommended to come here as I'm looking for help. I'm trying to import a league that isn't very popular outside of my country and can't seem to find an option file for PES 2019, but I have been able to find option files for 2018 and 2020. I've got the emblems and kits to work but the .ted can not be imported. I was told that there is a way to convert them. Can someone help?
 

klashman69

Fight the Power!
28 November 2007
I Travel.
I'm not really sure how evoweb works, I was recommended to come here as I'm looking for help. I'm trying to import a league that isn't very popular outside of my country and can't seem to find an option file for PES 2019, but I have been able to find option files for 2018 and 2020. I've got the emblems and kits to work but the .ted can not be imported. I was told that there is a way to convert them. Can someone help?
Convert .ted files?
 

Alx1234

Premiership
26 July 2018
Here you are dude.

https://evo-web.co.uk/threads/pes-2019-tactics-discussion-real-teams-thread.79311


But still i believe this game has core problem in the CPU AI, which is beyond any fix. It's basically broken beyond repair.

thanks pal ….. did you klash up the game before concluding its broken beyond repair?

if you did then i won't waste my time


I get physically sick seeing this thread being up and running!
The worst Pes of all times,and the only Pes I owned but have in a drawer by itself, so the little fucker knows how shit it is!
no other pes allows you knock the ball in front of you like pes 2019.

if a klash-up works, its worth it for that alone.

... plus I recall there was a DP where the game played a decent game -konami obliterated the game in the end :( ....its a shame this has become an annual konami pattern
 
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slamsoze

Champions League
28 September 2010
thanks pal ….. did you klash up the game before concluding its broken beyond repair?

if you did then i won't waste my time




no other pes allows you knock the ball in front of you like pes 2019.

if a klash-up works, its worth it for that alone.

... plus I recall there was a DP where the game played a decent game -konami obliterated the game in the end :( ....its a shame this has become an annual konami pattern
Νο to be honest i didn't as i was following the Live Updates ehile i was playing it. But i believe no tactics edit can beat the "Low cross+shoot to high corner" routine.

I'm sorry mate - the comments/criticism ARE necessary.

I've played PES 2020 exhibition mode and I found it enjoyable. Even better would be a workable ML. Following this latest update I have played 4 games of ML with Napoli - and I'm willing to play on - for now.

But instead of delivering a FUN game which you can enjoy out the box and brings happiness they, instead, deliver a FRUSTRATING game experience (unless you're willing to put some serious time/money/effort in modifying the game) EVERY YEAR.

Things like the limited save/replay/game plan slots have been a problem since 2015 - this alone gives a sense of the game being locked in chains. If they locked the slots, then why shouldn't I think that the on-pitch saves/goals/results are also locked somehow too.

Perhaps in future they will monetize extra save slots like MGS survive.

Unless you stay critical and call out this crap - only then can you hope that someone in authority is reading and may think "hey we are unethical towards our paying loyal player base - there's no reason to limit their save slots - we need to change things up"

Stay silent and you'll end up paying £10 for an extra save slot.
I get physically sick seeing this thread being up and running!
The worst Pes of all times,and the only Pes I owned but have in a drawer by itself, so the little fucker knows how shit it is!
Hahahaha agree 1,000,000% pal. Come on guys, let this thread die already! !!!!!
 

Matt10

Champions League
5 February 2004
Issue with this game was backheels and perfect shooting. I have been playing it a bit to compare with 20 and I choose 19 over 20 all day. 20 is aesthetically terrible. Player models and ball interaction are absent minded and the game is a hollow mess. 19 the player models interact with the ball with less revving up motion and there is actually a sense of resistance throughout the pitch. The ball doesn't get absorbed into the net like 20 does, and scoring goals feel more satisfying because the keeper isn't caught in two minds or being superman.

Again though, the biggest issue is that it took the subtle and rare elements of a beautiful game and tried too hard to make it the norm. I think I'll take my chances on 19 over 20 though.
 
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