PES3/WE7 discussion thread

fmicablues7

Premiership
15 July 2013
Well, once for example I changed values of some special players made to develop stats based on how good they play. There is only a bunch of those players, like for example a polish goalkeeper called Strindberg or something like that. Since those players are meant to change stat during the Master League (while normal players do not change their stats) if you modify them and the buy them in Master League, the match will crash. So not every single player available in the option file can be "touched". Fortunately there are just a bunch of them.
Quite helpful, thanks ! Do you know exactly which default players are affected ?
 

vihn78

League 1
22 July 2006
Częstochowa, Polska
Real Madrid, Napoli
Quite helpful, thanks ! Do you know exactly which default players are affected ?
If you use the option file editor, then those players are classified as "Master League Youths". Its a total of 23 players.
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Also the good news is that those players appear in Master League only if bought by the player. Or at least I think so. I have never seen any CPU buy those players. So it's not a big deal at all to keep them untouched.
 

MadbaLL

Interista per sempre!
11 February 2008
"Curva Nord"
Inter Milan
Sorry, but you're plain wrong. I don't play a game for his name, i'd be playing FIFA 18 if that was the case. Generally speaking, Winning Eleven Series were always less "arcade" than PES-es: WE9 was harder than PES 5, WE8 harder than PES4, and so on... So i used to prefer the Winning Eleven edition. But that was not the case concerning the transition from PES 3 to WE7I. WE7I was more arcade than PES 3, which was also more arcade than WE7 from Japan. It doesn't mean it was worse (off-ball movements were better for example) . It was just obviously faster, a tad easier to score goals, there was less pressing from cpu and cpu was less clinical. Reading some threads from back then on soccergaming.com and pesfan.com, i also found some people thinking the same, so it's not only me.

I suppose you didn't play PES3 as extensively as i did and assumed WE7I is better, because it was released later. But hey, WE7I is a great game too, the second best football game of Konami if you want, so i don't want to loose much more time convincing you, so feel free to play WE7I, if you feel it is the better game of the two.
did you miss my :P on purpose? :)

you are absolutely wrong about pes3/we7i comparison, but in any case, lets agree that we don't agree. ;)
 

fmicablues7

Premiership
15 July 2013
If you use the option file editor, then those players are classified as "Master League Youths". Its a total of 23 players.
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Also the good news is that those players appear in Master League only if bought by the player. Or at least I think so. I have never seen any CPU buy those players. So it's not a big deal at all to keep them untouched.
Thanks, much appreciated. I also noticed that some players cannot be edited in-game, like Cristiano Ronaldo. He can only be edited outside the game.
 

vihn78

League 1
22 July 2006
Częstochowa, Polska
Real Madrid, Napoli
Thanks, much appreciated. I also noticed that some players cannot be edited in-game, like Cristiano Ronaldo. He can only be edited outside the game.
Are you sure? Because I checked and I can edit him inside the game. I checked on PES3 where he is still in Sporting CP and I could change anything. Inside we7i I think he was already transferred to Manchester United.
 

vialli82

Premiership
4 September 2005
Juventus
PES3 has quite a lot of strange statsheets, like young players having outrageously high stats on an otherwise plain and weak statsheet. This was fixed from PES4 onwards, but these extreme way of judging player stats worked like a charm to portray differences between good and bad teams: a while ago I played a World Cup with Saudi Arabia and the majority of my players were as horrible as I never got to see ever again on a football game. Because of this you could spot the decent/average ones rightaway, contributing a lot for that sense of player individuality.
All of those weird players stats was corrected on WE7I Japanese version (i was editing already transfers at that time), but it's only on PS2, with winter transfers, and very different from the WE7i Korean or US version on PC, those are exactly the same as PES3, roster too.
I remember for me at least, PES3 was a bit too easy to score and more direct than WE7I... But PES3 was a very good game, no doubt, very fun.

WE7I Japanese version should be for you @fmicallblues , i know it's better to play it on PC...
If there was a way to copy/paste attributes from WE7I-J, but no.
 

fmicablues7

Premiership
15 July 2013
Are you sure? Because I checked and I can edit him inside the game. I checked on PES3 where he is still in Sporting CP and I could change anything. Inside we7i I think he was already transferred to Manchester United.
Weird. I'll take a look again, but i'm pretty sure it was the case, as i was trying to create current Ronaldo over the default one.

All of those weird players stats was corrected on WE7I Japanese version (i was editing already transfers at that time), but it's only on PS2, with winter transfers, and very different from the WE7i Korean or US version on PC, those are exactly the same as PES3, roster too.
I remember for me at least, PES3 was a bit too easy to score and more direct than WE7I... But PES3 was a very good game, no doubt, very fun.

WE7I Japanese version should be for you @fmicallblues , i know it's better to play it on PC...
If there was a way to copy/paste attributes from WE7I-J, but no.
I know about WE7I Jap. I actually tried it for a few matches on pcsx2 emulator, and it is no doubt an advanced version of PES3/WE7IUS, but it's an easier game than PES 3 IMO. If you read that thread below, you'll see that people find we7i jap easier than pes 3, the same for PES 5/6...

https://www.evo-web.co.uk/threads/pes-3-master-league-serie-a-b-95-96.70733/

Anyway, i'm not so sure about stats being more balanced in WE7I Jap, i remember Shevchenko was also overpowered in it, i'll take a look again too.
 

Titch

Premiership
4 October 2004
That patch looked amazing.
I do like the fact that there are only 64 club teams to edit in game.
Also for some reason kitserver seems less complicated than in PES6.
Would love to see a classic English OF.
 

vialli82

Premiership
4 September 2005
Juventus
Weird. I'll take a look again, but i'm pretty sure it was the case, as i was trying to create current Ronaldo over the default one.



I know about WE7I Jap. I actually tried it for a few matches on pcsx2 emulator, and it is no doubt an advanced version of PES3/WE7IUS, but it's an easier game than PES 3 IMO. If you read that thread below, you'll see that people find we7i jap easier than pes 3, the same for PES 5/6...

https://www.evo-web.co.uk/threads/pes-3-master-league-serie-a-b-95-96.70733/

Anyway, i'm not so sure about stats being more balanced in WE7I Jap, i remember Shevchenko was also overpowered in it, i'll take a look again too.
It's not about balance, it's about coherence.
Stats are very weird in PES 3, like some players sets have been "bugged", especially players which wasn't in WE7
 

Madmac79

Premiership
11 September 2006
I know about WE7I Jap. I actually tried it for a few matches on pcsx2 emulator, and it is no doubt an advanced version of PES3/WE7IUS, but it's an easier game than PES 3 IMO. If you read that thread below, you'll see that people find we7i jap easier than pes 3, the same for PES 5/6...

https://www.evo-web.co.uk/threads/pes-3-master-league-serie-a-b-95-96.70733/

Anyway, i'm not so sure about stats being more balanced in WE7I Jap, i remember Shevchenko was also overpowered in it, i'll take a look again too.
I also remember this We7I version you are talking about being bugged with stuff like corners impossible to cross on the second post and other similar things (I also remember a bug in which if you paused before the ball went in, you'd get another goal on the scoreboard, but I'm not sure if it was this exact game).

It was an evolution in some aspects, no doubt, but WE7 was a better and more polished game overall, or at least I have a strong memory of this being the case.
 

Orhainmalz

League 2
16 March 2018
England
Arsenal F.C.
(I also remember a bug in which if you paused before the ball went in, you'd get another goal on the scoreboard, but I'm not sure if it was this exact game).
according to @Titch earlier on in this thread it was PES 3 that had the bug which is pretty much identical to we7i, right? sorry, I don't know too much about the jap/usa side of things
 

yaso

Non-League
17 July 2006
Weird. I'll take a look again, but i'm pretty sure it was the case, as i was trying to create current Ronaldo over the default one.



I know about WE7I Jap. I actually tried it for a few matches on pcsx2 emulator, and it is no doubt an advanced version of PES3/WE7IUS, but it's an easier game than PES 3 IMO. If you read that thread below, you'll see that people find we7i jap easier than pes 3, the same for PES 5/6...

https://www.evo-web.co.uk/threads/pes-3-master-league-serie-a-b-95-96.70733/

Anyway, i'm not so sure about stats being more balanced in WE7I Jap, i remember Shevchenko was also overpowered in it, i'll take a look again too.
Haven´t posted on EvoWeb in a long time. Long story short - I have become a bit disillusioned with the state of offline gameplay in more recent iterations of PES and have gone back to the games from the PS2 era (playing on PC).

The last "retro" PES I played extensively was WE9 Liveware Evolution but as the ML seasons racked up my team got quite good and I found the AI to be too stale, especially in attack, even on 6 stars difficulty.

So after reading a lot of comments praising the challenging and diverse AI of PES 3/WE 7I, I am now looking to start a new ML on a patched version of one of the two. Initially I installed WE7I + Wendetta 1.3 patch (2003/04 season rosters) and have spent some time with it but after reading your comments about differences in gameplay between that and PES 3 I decided to give PES 3 a go as well and decide for myself which one to start my ML on.

However, I found out that while WE7I has only one version of the exe (the original 1.0), PES 3 has two official Konami patches on top of the original 1.0: 1.10.2 and 1.30.1. I was wondering how much of a gameplay difference they make and which .exe version would you recommend for the most challenging experience against the AI in ML?

Thanks in advance for any feedback :)
 

fmicablues7

Premiership
15 July 2013
Haven´t posted on EvoWeb in a long time. Long story short - I have become a bit disillusioned with the state of offline gameplay in more recent iterations of PES and have gone back to the games from the PS2 era (playing on PC).

The last "retro" PES I played extensively was WE9 Liveware Evolution but as the ML seasons racked up my team got quite good and I found the AI to be too stale, especially in attack, even on 6 stars difficulty.

So after reading a lot of comments praising the challenging and diverse AI of PES 3/WE 7I, I am now looking to start a new ML on a patched version of one of the two. Initially I installed WE7I + Wendetta 1.3 patch (2003/04 season rosters) and have spent some time with it but after reading your comments about differences in gameplay between that and PES 3 I decided to give PES 3 a go as well and decide for myself which one to start my ML on.

However, I found out that while WE7I has only one version of the exe (the original 1.0), PES 3 has two official Konami patches on top of the original 1.0: 1.10.2 and 1.30.1. I was wondering how much of a gameplay difference they make and which .exe version would you recommend for the most challenging experience against the AI in ML?

Thanks in advance for any feedback :)
Very good choice mate, WE9LE is a great game (especially in multiplayer), but it is surely easier than PES3/WE7I against the CPU, which is more dynamic in attack. PES 3 official patches are not gameplay patches, back in the days, the game was badly optimized on PC, and the patches tried to correct that, with also a few others minor tweaks. I personally play 1.0 version, because it has 5 chants per team, in the others versions, there is only one chant per team. It was done to optimize the game, but since you should have a modern pc, you shouldn't have any problem with that. But there are absolutely no gameplay differences. Feel free to share your experience of the game on the Retro PES Thread.
 

Orhainmalz

League 2
16 March 2018
England
Arsenal F.C.
PES3 works fine on an Atom N270 clocked at 1.6ghz (equiv. to a 2001 pentium 3 or a 800mhz celeron from 2008) with 1GB of RAM, and a GMA950, aside from some lag (tested 1.0), though I play on ps2 myself.
 

yaso

Non-League
17 July 2006
Very good choice mate, WE9LE is a great game (especially in multiplayer), but it is surely easier than PES3/WE7I against the CPU, which is more dynamic in attack. PES 3 official patches are not gameplay patches, back in the days, the game was badly optimized on PC, and the patches tried to correct that, with also a few others minor tweaks. I personally play 1.0 version, because it has 5 chants per team, in the others versions, there is only one chant per team. It was done to optimize the game, but since you should have a modern pc, you shouldn't have any problem with that. But there are absolutely no gameplay differences. Feel free to share your experience of the game on the Retro PES Thread.
Thanks for the clarification about PES 3 official patches, much appreciated!

I downloaded Wendetta 2003-2004 patch for PES 3 from gamefront but I noticed there is a "Wendetta PES 3 Fix 1.1" for the same patch in the list. However, no matter what browser I used to download the 1.1 fix it would always end up as a corrupt .rar file on my PC. I guess it was uploaded that way :(

Does anyone have an alternative link for Wendetta 2003-2004 1.1 fix or by any chance has kept it on their HDD and is willing to share?
 

Grayperview

Streamer
13 December 2002
Everton fc
Is there any way to play pes3 PC version on a 360 controller using Xinput?

I'm happy playing the ps2 version, but it would be nice to get the pc version off the shelf and play it.
 

slamsoze

Premiership
28 September 2010
push both triggers together, cancelled each other out when i played it. the PS2 version through the emulator is fine though.
My 360 controller runs fine but does this action in every PES from 3 to 2017. When you push both triggers RT+LT they are canceled for some reason.It must be 360's issue cause my Logitech and my Nacon work perfect pushing both triggers.
 

slamsoze

Premiership
28 September 2010
In the older games (pes3) i do it accidentally,sometimes with Logitech cause is too small for my hands, to hold it better when i press R2.So sometimes i do it by muscle memory with xbox30 controler.
In newer games i do it cause L2+R2=finesse manual pass/cross/shot
 

lazoli

Premiership
16 February 2005
Any of you know where the team names are stored in PES3/WE7I? In the exe? If so is there an exe editor?
 

lazoli

Premiership
16 February 2005
Thanks. Was looking for more of a permanent solution which requires exe editing.
 

Anjin

#NoTengoDinero
29 April 2012
I figured this would be the best place since its PES 3 specific thread.

I have a very weird problem with the resolution. Not only the kitserver setting doesn't work, I have to change resolution in settings every single time since it doesnt save. I use 1920x1080 screen, and game sets itself by default to 1280x1024 which makes right part of the screen pitch black.

On top of that every single time I have to go to options and swap from keyboard to a controller since it's always keyboard-only by default.

Changing things in settings.exe does not seem to have any effect whatsoever. Funny thing is that while kitserver's resolution option does not seem to work, camera zoom part is spot on.

I am using sweetfx if that means anything. Also Win10.

Any ideas whats going on? I am utterly confused. :(

EDIT: Of course I figure thingies out right after making a post.

Error seems to be that in kserv.cfg, at least in my case, one option was named sscreen.height, deleted the suspicious s and now game starts in nice 1080p, also screenshots and recordings are in that resolution which is awesome.

But I'm still wondering about controller issue, is it like this for everyone?
 
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