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QUESTION: OUT-AND-OUT STRIKER?!

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dorijan

Guest
National team of my country Serbia and Montenegro are set to play against Spain in World CUP qualification today. I read article on Goal.com about the mach and I was very confused with this:

- Petkovic (national coach) has to decide whether to play Osasuna striker Savo Milosevic as the out-and-out striker… -

What is an OUT-AND-OUT STRIKER? Few months ago I read that Heskey from Birmingham city is very good in position – IN-AND-OUT STRIKER?!

What is the difference between these two forward positions???
 

lumlum

Premiership
3 August 2003
MUFC
An out-and-out Striker is one who plays up-front and whose game relies most on finishing and scoring, similar to Ruud van Nistelrooy.
 
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dorijan

Guest
So, he plays inside the box, closes to the goal?! And the other striker plays outside the box, or on the line?!
 

Clockender

is back...but for how long?
27 November 2001
East Lower, Block 13
Arsenal FC
Out and Out - inside box
In and Out - Inside and Outside I suppose.

I have never heard of the phrase - In and Out Striker. Stan Collymore used to be a good in and out striker...ha ha!!
 
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footieBalla

Guest
out and out IMO means striker and nothing but... 10 men behind the ball (including keeper) and he/she's the only one staying in the offensive third of the pitch

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RuneEdge

Silent Assassin
1 October 2003
Manchester United
So its the opposite of guys like Rooney or Bergkamp who spend more time outside the box creating the goal.
 
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footieBalla

Guest
precisely, and the example of RVN is bang on. kluivert, gudjohnsen, and maybe even somebody like johnny hartson are also examples; these players are, at least what i would call, bang-bang goalscorers. they (for the most part) make a living from scoring within close range, and in RVN's example, where EVERY goal is scored from inside the penalty area.

-fb
 

Milanista

Mangiamoli!
Staff
19 December 2002
London & Milan
AC Milan
Well technically a target man is the one you look at for passing... in Milan's case its Pirlo as hes the constructor of Milan's play.
 

phrase

Tactician
12 December 2002
Little Mancunia
Milanista said:
Well technically a target man is the one you look at for passing... in Milan's case its Pirlo as hes the constructor of Milan's play.
U sure about this Milanista? Pirlo is a playmaker,not a target man.I thought the Target Man is always the striker? The playmaker looks for the target man to pass on to,not the other way round...Target Man are usually strikers,good on holding onto the ball,superb with headers so he can do knockdowns for his fellow mates...correct me if I'm wrong people,cheers.
 
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footieBalla

Guest
hm... ive been taught both. target men are the big lads whom the playmakers look for on set pieces. however, when you're talking from a defensive point of view. the playmaker can be the target man because he is the feeder into the strikers.

also, the point about hartson? i've always considered out-and-out strikers as target men, because of their skill of "holding onto the ball, superb with headers so he can do knockdowns for his fellow mates"

-fb
 

fd1972uk

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9 January 2002
Glasgow
Celtic
For me, as long as I can remember and out and out striker is someone like a Hartson, Shearer, Lineker or a Rush. Someone who doesn't do much more than stay right up front and bang the goals in.


FD
 
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dorijan

Guest
So, Heskey is in-and-out striker because he creates goals from outside (powerful shots) and inside the box (headers) and RVN is out-and-out striker because he scores within close range....
 

fd1972uk

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9 January 2002
Glasgow
Celtic
Well I guess so, although I think Heskey is more 'a sorry excuse of a striker', but that's straying off the topic.

FD
 

Joystick

Deep like Titanic
10 August 2004
London
The Arse
dorijan said:
So, Heskey is in-and-out striker because he creates goals from outside (powerful shots) and inside the box (headers) and RVN is out-and-out striker because he scores within close range....
Almost, RVN is an 'OUT-AND-OUT' striker because he will spend 80% of the game waiting for the killer pass to dispatch into the net, see also Shearer, Vieri and Raul.

Heskey is a 'SHIT' striker because he cant finish for toffee. :mryellow:

Nah seriously mate I dont think you should get too hung up on this 'out-and-out' bizniz. The phrase is just an English coloquialism for 'total' or 'absolute'. Its just a cliche description than footie journalists use to describe an old skool centre forward who doesnt like to dip into midfield very much. Its not a proper description of a position like 'goalkeeper' or 'centre back' for example.
 

Mack

Champions League
8 August 2003
Manchester
MCFC
No way Raul is a out and out striker he plays really deep and links up the play Ronaldo is Madrids out and out!
 

Milanista

Mangiamoli!
Staff
19 December 2002
London & Milan
AC Milan
phrase said:
U sure about this Milanista? Pirlo is a playmaker,not a target man.I thought the Target Man is always the striker? The playmaker looks for the target man to pass on to,not the other way round...Target Man are usually strikers,good on holding onto the ball,superb with headers so he can do knockdowns for his fellow mates...correct me if I'm wrong people,cheers.
Target man as in everytime a player is under pressure or is out of options, he turns around and passes it back to the target man, who is always the one who has to be open to provide back up for his teammates.

Pirlo is Milan's because everytime someone like Kaka (Playmaker) is in trouble to construct attacking plays, he turns around to give it to Pirlo, who then takes his time to send it to someone else.


A good example would be Roma - Totti is playmaker, and De Rossi is target man. Or during Real Madrid's sucesful era - Makelele was target man and Zidane playmaker, now theyre failing because they have a poor target man who cant handle pressure.
 
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Mack

Champions League
8 August 2003
Manchester
MCFC
Milanista said:
Or during Real Madrid's sucesful era - Makelele was target man
No no Makalele is a holding player,no way a target man! i think were geting cross europen meanings here!
 

Milanista

Mangiamoli!
Staff
19 December 2002
London & Milan
AC Milan
Isnt holding man and target man the same thing? Also when i was in North America playin football, the term 'target man' was used as the supporting player.
 

Joystick

Deep like Titanic
10 August 2004
London
The Arse
Definitely some cross-conintental-confusion going on here. In England the 'Target man' is always the big, burly (and dare I say) out-and-out striker. Dunno if this different in Italy.

In England, Pirlo would prob be called a defensive-midfielder, but then he is a quality passer of the ball too so maybe playmaker? (?!?!?!?!) ](*,)

I think this whole thread proves that its too difficult to properly pigeon-hole a player into just one specific position.
 
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loz

Guest
I think you can have descriptions of players, such as Heskey being a target man,Makelele as a def mid, etc, but the trouble is, and especially these days, players are often used in more than one position, thats where the confusion arises, imo.

I mean if we look back, Mark Hateley was nothing but a target man, always staying upfront as an easy outlet for the team (i.e. the long ball up front which he would battle for and hold on to as long as possible, until he got some support to give it to someone else.)

But Heskey, unlike Hateley has been used as more than just a target man, for example left mid, and because he has good ball control he might also drop off the forward line to pick the ball up and then run at the other team.

However, and going back to the original question, an out and out striker is someone in Linekers mould. They will still try to link up play, but 80% of their game is about scoring goals.
 
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dorijan

Guest
I started this topic quoting goal.com article about doubts of SCG national couch should Savo Milosevic, who plays in Osasuna, start as an out-and-out striker in 4-4-2 formation.

I went to watch the game played in my hometown Belgrade and I can say this: Milosevic played whole match OUTSIDE the box and was fighting for every deep-high-ball played from the midfield or d-line.

He had an assignment to - distribute passes to other striker – Mateje Kezman, who used his pace to out-run the defenders and try to score.

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I wanted to conclude that out-and-out striker (if we say he plays whole match inside the box) has to be specialist for ------- off-the-ball movement
 
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