True, take it you haven't been to South Korea? There are a lot of voluntary groups who just do stuff for the benefit of the community, like people cleaning beaches, just because they can. Although having said that and knowing some Koreans for a while, it's a well corrupt country and there's a whole load of born agains begining to take hold there. Best thing about that place was the first question I got asked, which is 'are you American?', as soon as I said no, 'English' they became very nice, friendly and open - but i digress.Stringer Bell said:Spikey there is good in Religion but the good init can come from Man itself...you could just create a law with all those stuff init.
Control of resources/land.jamie_mack said:The thing that got me with the program is not as much todays world problems but hundreds and thousends of years ago the same fights were being fought for basically the same thing....
denirobob said:Control of resources/land.
Religion is and has reguarly been used to cover this up.
btw Gerd - it's Robert Fisk (very courageous guy), sorry it just amused me because to 'frisk' someone in english means something else.
I personally don't think any country should have nuclear weapons at all.GFK said:My opinion is that almost every religion is useless. Maybe this seems a bit radical. But if you look through the histories of all religions you can understand it. Basically we all have the same religion. We all have the same god in the end. And we threated each other like that. In the begining time of the Islam, jewish and christians all lived peacefully together.
And if you loook how the European abused religion through the decades.. Almost every religion has grown out of his 'roots'. Ah so many examples how religions are being used for imperialisme, for colonisation, for own power-issues. I just cant believe anymore, not after all what happened to religions.
The only religion I can understand a bit is Budhisme, at least that is orientated on yourself..
Oh about Iran, I really dont care if a country wants to have an nuclear program if the western countries are allowed that too. But dont you think its a bit tricky to allow a country like Iran a nuclear program if their prime minister says that all jewish people have to be destroyed and weeped out of Israel..?
Ah yes, you are right. I should have stated to about Israel. I dont like Isreal either. I dont have anything agains Jewish people, not at all. But the way they act in the middle-east makes me sick too. Since 1945 they act in Isreal like it always have been their country although I thought the jewish didnt have Jeruzalem for 1200 years or something (dont get me on this, I have to look it up but its somewhere around that)denirobob said:GFK, regarding the comments that their President has made, Sharon has also made a fair few similar things over the years and there was no outcry then. Also, the US & Israel have both already threatened to deploy nuclear weapons (new smaller bunker busters etc...) against Iran although again as to be expected not a word about the morality/hypocrisy of such statements.
Genghis Khan has more then 16.000.000 relativesdenirobob said:Exactly mate.
There is a finite amount of Land/Oil/Gas/Water etc.. in the world, and control of it (through war) has always been the key to power.
PLF, Ged & Spikester - great coherent & informative posts, I'll try to come online later and contribute.
On a slight tangent does anybody know much about Genghis Khan and the Mongols ? I've been reading up about it recently and wasn't aware of how close they came to invading & conquering all of Europe. He wasn't religious as far as I'm aware.
denirobob said:On a slight tangent does anybody know much about Genghis Khan and the Mongols ? I've been reading up about it recently and wasn't aware of how close they came to invading & conquering all of Europe. He wasn't religious as far as I'm aware.
My reply is:gerd said:Spikester: NIN SHUO ZHONGGUOHUA MA???? (I have a degree in Mandarin, Modern Chinese and Classic Japanese...but it's been ages since i've talked it...must be 14 years...very, very rusty...no to say that i barely could speak it now).
The old dear has 'turned' religous, as long as she doesn't try to get me to church, I don't see any harm in her being involved in jumble sales and all that. Feel sorry for the old man.gerd said:I not religious, i don't believe in god. However, i do respect people who believe in god or who are religious.