luisportobello
Conference
- 16 September 2006
I see alot of suggestions here and there, many about stats and licenses.
For me, I would like to see the PES community support suggestions that change the game dramatically and that we ourselves are unable to do.
Naturally stats and licences aren't that important as Konami have given us a great edit function and we can freely tweak stats at our choosing.
I think much of Konami's changes should be in the Master League, here are my suggestions and hopefully you will support them. (if so post "yes" - the more support threads like this have the more chance Konami might implement)
1) Ability to create more teams & players.
I feel PES' biggest downfall is that you cannot create a team, you are only restricted to editing over a current team (such as WE United/PES United) and then you can only make so many players from scratch to insert into the game.
I think you should be able to create around 30 teams and some 500 players.
Which leads me to my next suggestion.
2) More leagues in the Master League.
Currently in the Master League there are 4 leagues of 16 teams and 1 second division of 8 teams.
I believe that there should be 8 leagues of 16 teams, and there should be a second division in the league you choose to play in (only your league) of 16 teams also, and then a 3rd division of 12 teams, and a 4th of 8 teams.
So lets say for example you choose PES United and start your Master League with the regular group (Ordaz, Castolo, Miranda etc) in division 4 (where they deserve to play), here is how your setup would look if you created 30 teams (see [1)) complete with 16 players for each team (480 players - 20 left over to use as you like) and wanted your league to be like the England system:
League A
Division 1: (Renamed: Barclays English Premiership)
1 Arsenal (officially licensed)
2 Aston Villa
3 Blackburn
4 Bolton
5 Charlton
6 Chelsea
7 Everton
8 Fulham
9 Liverpool
10 Manchester City
11 Manchester United (officially licensed)
12 Middlesbrough
13 Newcastle
14 Portsmouth
15 Tottenham Hotspur
16 West Ham United
Division 2: (Renamed Coca-Cola Championship)
1 Wigan Athletic
2 Reading
3 Sheffield United
4 Watford
5 Birmingham City (1 of 30 created teams)
6 Cardiff City (2 of 30)
7 Coventry City (3 of 30)
8 Crystal Palace (4 of 30)
9 Derby (5 of 30)
10 Hull (6 of 30)
11 Leeds (7 of 30)
12 Leicester (8 of 30)
13 Norwich (9 of 30)
14 QPR (10 of 30)
15 Plymouth (11 of 30)
16 Preston (12 of 30)
Division 3: (Renamed Coca-Cola League 1)
1 Sheffield Wednesday (13 of 30)
2 Southend (14 of 30)
3 Southampton (15 of 30)
4 Sunderland (16 of 30)
5 West Brom (17 of 30)
6 Wolverhampton (18 of 30)
7 Ipswich (19 of 30)
8 Luton (20 of 30)
9 Stoke (21 of 30)
10 Barnsley (22 of 30)
11 Colchester (23 of 30)
12 Millwall (24 of 30)
Division 4: (Renamed Coca-Cola League 2)
1 Nottingham Forest (25 of 30)
2 Swansea (26 of 30)
3 Bristol City (27 of 30)
4 Bradford (28 of 30)
5 Tranmere (29 of 30)
6 Bournemouth (30 of 30)
7 WE United
8 PES UNITED <--- you are here
As you can see this person has used all 30 possible created teams to supply his/her chosen league divisions with all the required clubs ... but what about the other 7 leagues that the CPU has control of?
For these leagues, naturally 4 divisions are not required, but a 2nd division is, but it need only be 4 teams to make relegation/promotion happen, as those teams relegated and promoted in CPU leagues aren't very important as they will likely never qualify for the WEFA Cup let alone the WEFA Championship and thus the human player (you) will never play against them.
Thus the 7 CPU leagues should look like this:
League B (1 of 7)
Division 1: (Renamed Ligue 1)
1-16 = French teams (all licensed)
Division 2: 4 other French teams
League C (2 of 7)
Division 1: (Renamed Serie A)
1-16 = Italian teams (all licensed)
Division 2: 4 other Italian teams
League D (3 of 7)
Division 1: (Renamed La Liga)
1-16 = Spanish teams (all licensed)
Division 2: 4 other Spanish teams
League E (4 of 7)
Division 1: (Renamed Dutch Eredivisie)
1-16 = Dutch teams (all licensed)
Division 2: 2 other dutch teams, 2 Belgium teams (Anderlecht & Brugge/brussels/other)
League F (5 of 7)
Division 1: (Renamed German Bundesliga)
1-16 - German teams (unlicensed currently)
Division 2: 4 other german teams
League G (6 of 7)
Division 1: (Renamed Portuguese Superliga)
1-16 - Portuguese teams (perhaps all licensed?)
Division 2: 4 other portuguese teams
League H (7 of 7)
Division 1: (Mixed league)
1-16 - Mixed teams with Celtic, Hearts, Kopenhagen, Rosenborg, Sao Paulo, and all the other "other" teams.
Division 2: 4 other "other" teams.
As you can see with this 8 league setup (1 4 division league controlled by human player + 7 other cpu leagues) the WEFA Championships and WEFA Cup can now be more like real life European competitions and actually interesting because of this.
3 - The FA Cup/Copa del Rey
Only in the 4 division human controlled league should a new cup be added called "the all-division cup" which the player can rename to the FA Cup if they have chosen to play in an England type League or the Copa del Rey if they have chosen to recreate the Spanish system and use their 30 user created teams to make Segunda Division teams and a few others. (or any other league setup that person might like to make)
So if the the human player chosen the England type league, "the all-division cup" (renamed FA Cup) would give the user the chance right from the 1st season in the Master League to take his/her 4th division PES United against teams from higher divisions, even eventually the Arsenal's & Man Utd's of Division 1.
4) Club Reputation
Currently in the Master League if you have enough funds you can buy good players even if you are bottom of the second division - unfortunately this is a departure from PES3 where a good player was unlikely to join your club if it wasn't doing well.
Each club should have a reputation based on it's success, how many times you win a cup/league etc should all add those honours to your trophy cabinet and give you more reputation points.
In a transfer market where 4-5 teams should be competing for any player who is even remotely known, the player should always pick the one with the highest reputation or near enough making it virtually impossible for 4th division PES United to start with 30,000 points and buy Henry from Arsenal straight away.
Many people have asked for this type of thing to be implemented, like in real life where a club can accept the fee but the player declines.
This is realistic.
Everytime a club wins the league, cup, and especially WEFA Championships/Cup reputation points are added to that club.
Lets say the reborn Oliver Kahn (Kalm in the game) recieves 5 contract negotiations requests to sign him as a "Newcomer", based on reputation alone (for this example) lets say he had the choice of 5 teams: Real Madrid, Arsenal, Bayern Munich, Lille, & Palermo.
Obviously Kahn is going to choose Real Madrid because their reputation points are much higher than any of the other clubs. (and just because he was in a "past life" a Bayern Munich player, it should not dictate where the reborn player will go by default)
While not touched upon yet, another factor is language which can make a difference, see point 8 below.
5) Ability to edit advertising boards
It's understandable that Konami uses sponsors such as Ben Sherman, FourFourTwo magazine, Marca, Eurosport etc to advertise in the game and recieve revenue from this but behind the goals there is usually just the word "Konami" repeated ad nauseum.
Konami has seen how the PES editing community are very creative with doing sponsor logos pixel by pixel and these "Konami" adboards should be able to be edited by pixel in the same way.
There should also be the distinction between WEFA matches and all other matches.
Example: I am using Manchester United in my Master League and the adboards behind Old Trafford for all games (FA Cup, Division Cup, and League matches) have been changed from Konami to "AIG", "OneUnited", & "Pepsi" but for WEFA matches, the adboards are "Ford Focus", "Heineken",& "Playstation 3".
There should be 6-8 slots of which 3-4 are used for WEFA matches and the other 3-4 for all other matches.
This only affects the adboards behind the goals, it would be nice if it could be right around the stadium but it is doubtful Konami would lose the revenue from BenSherman and the like.
6) Designate Match Balls
Once again there should be 2 slots for the ball type used in the Master League, a WEFA spot and a normal spot.
Players could then choose the Adidas Finale (the one with the stars on it) for WEFA matches, and the Nike ball for all other matches.
For me, I would like to see the PES community support suggestions that change the game dramatically and that we ourselves are unable to do.
Naturally stats and licences aren't that important as Konami have given us a great edit function and we can freely tweak stats at our choosing.
I think much of Konami's changes should be in the Master League, here are my suggestions and hopefully you will support them. (if so post "yes" - the more support threads like this have the more chance Konami might implement)
1) Ability to create more teams & players.
I feel PES' biggest downfall is that you cannot create a team, you are only restricted to editing over a current team (such as WE United/PES United) and then you can only make so many players from scratch to insert into the game.
I think you should be able to create around 30 teams and some 500 players.
Which leads me to my next suggestion.
2) More leagues in the Master League.
Currently in the Master League there are 4 leagues of 16 teams and 1 second division of 8 teams.
I believe that there should be 8 leagues of 16 teams, and there should be a second division in the league you choose to play in (only your league) of 16 teams also, and then a 3rd division of 12 teams, and a 4th of 8 teams.
So lets say for example you choose PES United and start your Master League with the regular group (Ordaz, Castolo, Miranda etc) in division 4 (where they deserve to play), here is how your setup would look if you created 30 teams (see [1)) complete with 16 players for each team (480 players - 20 left over to use as you like) and wanted your league to be like the England system:
League A
Division 1: (Renamed: Barclays English Premiership)
1 Arsenal (officially licensed)
2 Aston Villa
3 Blackburn
4 Bolton
5 Charlton
6 Chelsea
7 Everton
8 Fulham
9 Liverpool
10 Manchester City
11 Manchester United (officially licensed)
12 Middlesbrough
13 Newcastle
14 Portsmouth
15 Tottenham Hotspur
16 West Ham United
Division 2: (Renamed Coca-Cola Championship)
1 Wigan Athletic
2 Reading
3 Sheffield United
4 Watford
5 Birmingham City (1 of 30 created teams)
6 Cardiff City (2 of 30)
7 Coventry City (3 of 30)
8 Crystal Palace (4 of 30)
9 Derby (5 of 30)
10 Hull (6 of 30)
11 Leeds (7 of 30)
12 Leicester (8 of 30)
13 Norwich (9 of 30)
14 QPR (10 of 30)
15 Plymouth (11 of 30)
16 Preston (12 of 30)
Division 3: (Renamed Coca-Cola League 1)
1 Sheffield Wednesday (13 of 30)
2 Southend (14 of 30)
3 Southampton (15 of 30)
4 Sunderland (16 of 30)
5 West Brom (17 of 30)
6 Wolverhampton (18 of 30)
7 Ipswich (19 of 30)
8 Luton (20 of 30)
9 Stoke (21 of 30)
10 Barnsley (22 of 30)
11 Colchester (23 of 30)
12 Millwall (24 of 30)
Division 4: (Renamed Coca-Cola League 2)
1 Nottingham Forest (25 of 30)
2 Swansea (26 of 30)
3 Bristol City (27 of 30)
4 Bradford (28 of 30)
5 Tranmere (29 of 30)
6 Bournemouth (30 of 30)
7 WE United
8 PES UNITED <--- you are here
As you can see this person has used all 30 possible created teams to supply his/her chosen league divisions with all the required clubs ... but what about the other 7 leagues that the CPU has control of?
For these leagues, naturally 4 divisions are not required, but a 2nd division is, but it need only be 4 teams to make relegation/promotion happen, as those teams relegated and promoted in CPU leagues aren't very important as they will likely never qualify for the WEFA Cup let alone the WEFA Championship and thus the human player (you) will never play against them.
Thus the 7 CPU leagues should look like this:
League B (1 of 7)
Division 1: (Renamed Ligue 1)
1-16 = French teams (all licensed)
Division 2: 4 other French teams
League C (2 of 7)
Division 1: (Renamed Serie A)
1-16 = Italian teams (all licensed)
Division 2: 4 other Italian teams
League D (3 of 7)
Division 1: (Renamed La Liga)
1-16 = Spanish teams (all licensed)
Division 2: 4 other Spanish teams
League E (4 of 7)
Division 1: (Renamed Dutch Eredivisie)
1-16 = Dutch teams (all licensed)
Division 2: 2 other dutch teams, 2 Belgium teams (Anderlecht & Brugge/brussels/other)
League F (5 of 7)
Division 1: (Renamed German Bundesliga)
1-16 - German teams (unlicensed currently)
Division 2: 4 other german teams
League G (6 of 7)
Division 1: (Renamed Portuguese Superliga)
1-16 - Portuguese teams (perhaps all licensed?)
Division 2: 4 other portuguese teams
League H (7 of 7)
Division 1: (Mixed league)
1-16 - Mixed teams with Celtic, Hearts, Kopenhagen, Rosenborg, Sao Paulo, and all the other "other" teams.
Division 2: 4 other "other" teams.
As you can see with this 8 league setup (1 4 division league controlled by human player + 7 other cpu leagues) the WEFA Championships and WEFA Cup can now be more like real life European competitions and actually interesting because of this.
3 - The FA Cup/Copa del Rey
Only in the 4 division human controlled league should a new cup be added called "the all-division cup" which the player can rename to the FA Cup if they have chosen to play in an England type League or the Copa del Rey if they have chosen to recreate the Spanish system and use their 30 user created teams to make Segunda Division teams and a few others. (or any other league setup that person might like to make)
So if the the human player chosen the England type league, "the all-division cup" (renamed FA Cup) would give the user the chance right from the 1st season in the Master League to take his/her 4th division PES United against teams from higher divisions, even eventually the Arsenal's & Man Utd's of Division 1.
4) Club Reputation
Currently in the Master League if you have enough funds you can buy good players even if you are bottom of the second division - unfortunately this is a departure from PES3 where a good player was unlikely to join your club if it wasn't doing well.
Each club should have a reputation based on it's success, how many times you win a cup/league etc should all add those honours to your trophy cabinet and give you more reputation points.
In a transfer market where 4-5 teams should be competing for any player who is even remotely known, the player should always pick the one with the highest reputation or near enough making it virtually impossible for 4th division PES United to start with 30,000 points and buy Henry from Arsenal straight away.
Many people have asked for this type of thing to be implemented, like in real life where a club can accept the fee but the player declines.
This is realistic.
Everytime a club wins the league, cup, and especially WEFA Championships/Cup reputation points are added to that club.
Lets say the reborn Oliver Kahn (Kalm in the game) recieves 5 contract negotiations requests to sign him as a "Newcomer", based on reputation alone (for this example) lets say he had the choice of 5 teams: Real Madrid, Arsenal, Bayern Munich, Lille, & Palermo.
Obviously Kahn is going to choose Real Madrid because their reputation points are much higher than any of the other clubs. (and just because he was in a "past life" a Bayern Munich player, it should not dictate where the reborn player will go by default)
While not touched upon yet, another factor is language which can make a difference, see point 8 below.
5) Ability to edit advertising boards
It's understandable that Konami uses sponsors such as Ben Sherman, FourFourTwo magazine, Marca, Eurosport etc to advertise in the game and recieve revenue from this but behind the goals there is usually just the word "Konami" repeated ad nauseum.
Konami has seen how the PES editing community are very creative with doing sponsor logos pixel by pixel and these "Konami" adboards should be able to be edited by pixel in the same way.
There should also be the distinction between WEFA matches and all other matches.
Example: I am using Manchester United in my Master League and the adboards behind Old Trafford for all games (FA Cup, Division Cup, and League matches) have been changed from Konami to "AIG", "OneUnited", & "Pepsi" but for WEFA matches, the adboards are "Ford Focus", "Heineken",& "Playstation 3".
There should be 6-8 slots of which 3-4 are used for WEFA matches and the other 3-4 for all other matches.
This only affects the adboards behind the goals, it would be nice if it could be right around the stadium but it is doubtful Konami would lose the revenue from BenSherman and the like.
6) Designate Match Balls
Once again there should be 2 slots for the ball type used in the Master League, a WEFA spot and a normal spot.
Players could then choose the Adidas Finale (the one with the stars on it) for WEFA matches, and the Nike ball for all other matches.