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The PC Building Thread

spektarm

Premier League
6 October 2006
Manchester United
Back again thinking about another PC upgrade lol

Whats does everyone think to a 5700XT GFX card with Ryzen 3600 CPU with a MSI Tomahawk MAX B450 board?

Baring in mind this is going from a I5 3570k CPU and GTX 1070 graphics card.
Depends on what you want to do with it, but I would (and will) personally wait for the new console generation to come out first, and then get a proper GPU whatever that might be at the time.
 

Coopz

Retired Footballer
27 April 2002
Depends on what you want to do with it, but I would (and will) personally wait for the new console generation to come out first, and then get a proper GPU whatever that might be at the time.
Just for gaming.

My current setup is doing alright at present, I can even game at 4k with mostly ultra settings albeit at 40 odd FPS. I don't even really need to upgrade really but I've got an urge to get some newer generation stuff that's futureproof lol.
 

spektarm

Premier League
6 October 2006
Manchester United
Just for gaming.

My current setup is doing alright at present, I can even game at 4k with mostly ultra settings albeit at 40 odd FPS. I don't even really need to upgrade really but I've got an urge to get some newer generation stuff that's futureproof lol.
If it's just for gaming, I would simply wait.

Future proofing is kind of a myth in some ways, especially regarding GPUs, it's just best to upgrade every few years and get some money for your old one on the second hand market.

With the new consoles practically right around the corner, it doesn't make much sense to upgrade your GPU now (especially with an AMD card), because you'd need a new one in a year or so anyway.
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
Processor wise you would definitely notice the difference as the 3600 would be twice as powerful as the 3570.
Processor wise AMD is the way forward now, there is absolutely no reason why anyone building a PC today would choose an Intel.

Graphics card wise you would be looking at a 15-20% increase in performance, which depending on setup isn't really worth it.
As the 1070 should be more than enough to play games @1440 at decent settings, as I used to have one a couple of years ago.

I would wait for GPU at this moment, the RTX 3000 series is coming next June and will no doubt bring a significant performance increase in Ray Tracing, as well as the usual 20% increase in actual graphics performance.

In regards to waiting to see what is in the next gen consoles - I would be incredible surprised if they have a GPU more powerful than a 5700XT in them.
 

spektarm

Premier League
6 October 2006
Manchester United
I thought the RTX 3000 series is coming around Q4 next year, definitely looking forward to June now if that's the case! :D
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
I thought the RTX 3000 series is coming around Q4 next year, definitely looking forward to June now if that's the case! :D
Latest reports suggest Nvidia could be ready to show them off at CES in January, with the cards being launched in June.
Given that Nvidia believe the future is now Ray Tracing after 4K 60FPS has now finally been conquered, they are probably working on getting Ray Tracing working without such a massive hit to GPU performance.

So I reckon there will be more dedicated RTX pipes in the new cards which will could give a 50% Ray Tracing performance increase, and the usual generic 15-20% performance increase in normal games.

I only recently purchased a RTX 2080 Super, so unless there is a massive significant performance upgrade in the RTX 3000 series I will not be investing and will wait for the RTX 4000 series.
 

vulturu0707

League 1
25 August 2008
Hi guys, hopefully some of the experts around here can help with a suggestion.

I am looking into buying a new gaming laptop, which primarily will be used for playing PES (don't play anything else) and video editing 4k videos.

When it comes to PES 2020 and the upcoming titles, I was wondering which would be the best combo:

1. i9-9880h + rtx 2070

or

2. i7-9750 + rtx 2080

or

3. i7-9750 + rtx 2080 max q (although from what I read these max q are not recommended and 2070 would outperform it)

Also will a display with 240hz be more recommended than a 140hz one, would the difference be noticeable?

I am between option 1 and option 2, but not too sure over the years what would serve me better, superior cpu or superior gpu.

Any advice welcomed.

Thanks.
 
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spektarm

Premier League
6 October 2006
Manchester United
Since you're going to be using it only for PES and video editing, I'd say don't go overboard as you won't need that much horsepower. I can honestly say you're going to be throwing money away if you get a PC with an RTX 2080 just for PES. You would probably get away with a 2060 in PES for at least 2-3 years.

Definitely explore some Ryzen options (haven't been following the laptop market tbh, but you should be able to find Ryzen builds).

I have a 144hz monitor myself, and it sure plays really smoothly, but tbh you don't even need that for PES. Go for 144hz if you find something good, but anything above that should be out of the question imo.

Most importantly for a laptop, look at the build quality and not only the components, look up reviews of the cooling system on Youtube - this is the vital part for me, as powerful GPUs are always going to generate heat.
 

Coopz

Retired Footballer
27 April 2002
If it's just for gaming, I would simply wait.

Future proofing is kind of a myth in some ways, especially regarding GPUs, it's just best to upgrade every few years and get some money for your old one on the second hand market.

With the new consoles practically right around the corner, it doesn't make much sense to upgrade your GPU now (especially with an AMD card), because you'd need a new one in a year or so anyway.
Processor wise you would definitely notice the difference as the 3600 would be twice as powerful as the 3570.
Processor wise AMD is the way forward now, there is absolutely no reason why anyone building a PC today would choose an Intel.

Graphics card wise you would be looking at a 15-20% increase in performance, which depending on setup isn't really worth it.
As the 1070 should be more than enough to play games @1440 at decent settings, as I used to have one a couple of years ago.

I would wait for GPU at this moment, the RTX 3000 series is coming next June and will no doubt bring a significant performance increase in Ray Tracing, as well as the usual 20% increase in actual graphics performance.

In regards to waiting to see what is in the next gen consoles - I would be incredible surprised if they have a GPU more powerful than a 5700XT in them.
Thanks For the heads up guys.

I’ve been so tempted to pull the trigger on this https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...cs-card-gx-1b9-gi.html?campaign=affiliate/tag

But I’m going to hold out for a while now I think after your twos responses.
 

Coopz

Retired Footballer
27 April 2002
Guys another question, should I still go ahead and get the Ryzen 3600 CPU (maybe even a 3700x) and a MSI Tomahawk MAX B450 board or just wait on that as well?

oh yeah and some 3000+MHz DDR4 (to replace my 1600mhz DDR3)
 
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bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
Guys another question, should I still go ahead and get the Ryzen 3600 CPU (maybe even a 3700x) and a MSI Tomahawk MAX B450 board or just wait on that as well?

oh yeah and some 3000+MHz DDR4 (to replace my 1600mhz DDR3)
The AMD processors were released in July..

So you are 5 months through the release cycle, judging by AMD releases it could be July to September before the 4th Gen Ryzen processors are released.
But given the massive performance buffer they have over Intel at the moment, they might delay the 4th Gen.

Also it is a custom 3rd Gen Ryzen which is going to be in the new PS5/Xbox.

Personally myself as well I don't skimp on motherboards, I also buy ones which are better quality.
But more importantly have the better chipset.

The X570 boards have improvements over the B450 and worth the extra investment.
Better VRM's - Better power management and less drop in voltage.
PCIe 4.0 Support - B450 doesn't support PCIe 4.0, although nothing utilises this yet.
Faster memory support - Although again, I don't know anyone who buys the fastest memory available.

There are other advantages, mainly better components in general - And mainly all to do with overclocking.
 

Coopz

Retired Footballer
27 April 2002
The AMD processors were released in July..

So you are 5 months through the release cycle, judging by AMD releases it could be July to September before the 4th Gen Ryzen processors are released.
But given the massive performance buffer they have over Intel at the moment, they might delay the 4th Gen.

Also it is a custom 3rd Gen Ryzen which is going to be in the new PS5/Xbox.

Personally myself as well I don't skimp on motherboards, I also buy ones which are better quality.
But more importantly have the better chipset.

The X570 boards have improvements over the B450 and worth the extra investment.
Better VRM's - Better power management and less drop in voltage.
PCIe 4.0 Support - B450 doesn't support PCIe 4.0, although nothing utilises this yet.
Faster memory support - Although again, I don't know anyone who buys the fastest memory available.

There are other advantages, mainly better components in general - And mainly all to do with overclocking.
Nice one, I’ll look into that motherboard and if any deals are about.
 
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