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The PC Building Thread

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
I will see what the difference is in performance of the overclock when I get home and build the machine tonight.

The Gigabyte got 5.0GHz stable at 1.325V, but wouldn't go any higher at all.
Was also very difficult to get the CPU overclocked using an Adaptive voltage, which is really easy to do on an ASUS.

I am hoping with the ASUS will be able to overclock to either 5.2 or 5.3, but I might be unlucky and not won the silicon lottery.
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
So tested the motherboard last night and now have a 5.2Ghz stable overclock on the ASUS board using an Adaptive voltage.
Not tried 5.3Ghz yet but given the voltage is still not bad I reckon I could get to 5.3.

The strange thing as well is the CPU also runs 10c colder on the ASUS motherboard than the Gigabyte, which is strange consider both had the same amount of thermal paste.

So far it is a much superior board for overclocking and so much easier to use and customise the overclock.
The Gigabyte has so many overclocking options and non are necessary.
 

Coopz

Retired Footballer
27 April 2002
I think I need to upgrade my old OC'ed i5 3570k and MSI Z68 mobo soon judging by what you lot are posting lol.

I might have to start scouting the second-hand market again to see what I can get becuase i cant bring myself to pay £250-300 just for a processor haha
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
I think I need to upgrade my old OC'ed i5 3570k and MSI Z68 mobo soon judging by what you lot are posting lol.

I might have to start scouting the second-hand market again to see what I can get becuase i cant bring myself to pay £250-300 just for a processor haha
How much you looking to spend?

But TBH you wouldn't be getting that much more performance than your current CPU for £150

Gaming on PC is more about GPU than CPU, so I would consider upgrading your GPU before getting a better processor.
 

Coopz

Retired Footballer
27 April 2002
How much you looking to spend?

But TBH you wouldn't be getting that much more performance than your current CPU for £150

Gaming on PC is more about GPU than CPU, so I would consider upgrading your GPU before getting a better processor.
I'm a cheapskate so only about £200 for a processor and mobo lol. I should be able to get about £120 from my CPU, Mobo and Ram though so I'm only spending 80 quid.

I was thinking of a Ryzen 2600 because someone posted this when I was searching around and it seemed like it was a worthy step up from mine.

I guess my 1070 would bottleneck it though as they are using a 1080ti for testing.
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
Does anyone here own a Ryzen processor?

I bought a key for Division 2 on eBay and I need to use the AMD verification app to make sure my system has a Ryzen to get the final activation key for Uplay.

So could someone do me what is probably a 5 minute favour?
 

rojofa

Championship
15 September 2017
I bought an AMD Vega GPU which included a copy of The Division 2 (along with Resident Evil 2 and DmC 5) but the keys are not getting revealed until the release dates.

I'm guessing it's a seperate offer for Ryzen so I probably can't help as I'm still on an i7 4790k.
 

mvs2k9

Mia san Mia
22 July 2010
Viet Nam
FC Bayern München
@bsmaff I consider choosing water cooler between AIO & Custom. Custom look very beauty but not easy to building also the price isn't cheap especially in my country. After that I like 2 custom water cooler: Corsair H150i or H110 in your signature vs Thermaltake Floe Riing 360 RGB ( i like this more than H150i because of RGB :D). I want to ask you about life expectancy : 4-5 years or longer or shorter & really need change coolant after long time using it or not.
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
@bsmaff I consider choosing water cooler between AIO & Custom. Custom look very beauty but not easy to building also the price isn't cheap especially in my country. After that I like 2 custom water cooler: Corsair H150i or H110 in your signature vs Thermaltake Floe Riing 360 RGB ( i like this more than H150i because of RGB :D). I want to ask you about life expectancy : 4-5 years or longer or shorter & really need change coolant after long time using it or not.
I use a water cooler at the moment, I have an old corsair one and not 100% sure on the model number.

But apart from that I don't have any experience with them TBH, they are just something thought I would try as they give marginally better cooling than top air coolers.

Personally they are something I can't recommend, the noise levels for me are just not worth the extra 5c cooling.
If I was buying now I certainly would not be buying a water cooler, unless they have made massive improvements on the volume of the radiator and fans.
 
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mvs2k9

Mia san Mia
22 July 2010
Viet Nam
FC Bayern München
How about temp when use water cooler & not use with your specs? It's small disparity or tiny. I don't know the reason why people when buy new PC still prefer custom water cooling with high price: that's really necessary for decrease or only make look gorgeous? IMO of course custom water cooling so beautiful & amazing design: EWKB, XSPC, Bitspower ... but with this money must pay for them can upgrade other components like HDD, RAM or VGA.
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
Water cooling has it advantages.

The PC build looks such clean with a hidden rad and just two tubes going to the CPU, rather than such a massive big cooler.
So people building machines probably prefer water coolers just because of the looks.

As I said though however, for me personally I don't have a side window so when my water cooler starts giving up I will buy a decent Noctua air cooler so my PC will be completely silent again.
 

rivaldinho

League 1
9 September 2003
Real Madrid
PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/kqcVdX

This should blow NES and Football Manager out of the water.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor (£115.33 @ Box Limited)

Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£63.44 @ CCL Computers)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£82.00 @ CCL Computers)

Storage: Sabrent Rocket 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£59.99 @ Amazon UK)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.64 @ BT Shop)

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 570 4 GB PULSE Video Card (£138.89 @ Overclockers.co.uk)

Case: Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£42.94 @ Box Limited)

Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£64.97 @ Amazon UK)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£93.99 @ CCL Computers)

Total: £697.19

Is this a good PC build I'd only really be playing PES and FM
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/kqcVdX

This should blow NES and Football Manager out of the water.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor (£115.33 @ Box Limited)

Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£63.44 @ CCL Computers)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£82.00 @ CCL Computers)

Storage: Sabrent Rocket 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£59.99 @ Amazon UK)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.64 @ BT Shop)

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 570 4 GB PULSE Video Card (£138.89 @ Overclockers.co.uk)

Case: Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£42.94 @ Box Limited)

Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£64.97 @ Amazon UK)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£93.99 @ CCL Computers)

Total: £697.19

Is this a good PC build I'd only really be playing PES and FM
Personally would not skimp on motherboard, one of the most important components.

Do you need an HD, would be better off with a 256GB and 512GB for faster performance.

£93 for Windows 10??? Is it a limited edition copy where Bill Gates comes round your house to install it?

Is there much of a price difference between 2nd and 3rd generation Ryzon?
 

rivaldinho

League 1
9 September 2003
Real Madrid
Personally would not skimp on motherboard, one of the most important components.

Do you need an HD, would be better off with a 256GB and 512GB for faster performance.

£93 for Windows 10??? Is it a limited edition copy where Bill Gates comes round your house to install it?

Is there much of a price difference between 2nd and 3rd generation Ryzon?
What motherboard would you recommend?

The difference is probably around £60-70 quid between 2nd and 3rd gen
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
Rest of the system is perfectly fine.

I will check the motherboard, and would also recommend not to pay £95 for Windows 10.

Do you not have a Windows 7 or 8 license key lying around?
 

rivaldinho

League 1
9 September 2003
Real Madrid
I had a win7 disk laying around somewhere, is it it possible to transfer my Win10 from my current PC? I was part of the windows insider program and got my win 10 that way
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
You can use a Windows 7 license to activate Windows 10, so you won't need to purchase a new license.
That will save you £90, which can then be spent on components.

After reading other opinions online, it seems that the AMD B450 boards are not that bad and just have cheap VRM's (these deliver power to the CPU, making for a poor overclock) and lack a few extra USB port headers.
+ Looking on amazon most of the B450 motherboards also appear to be Micro ATX, so will lack a lot of features.

If your going to save £95 on the OS, I would consider putting the money back into a GFX card, either getting a more powerful older gen card on eBay around the £200 mark (should be able to get a GTX 1070) or purchase a new 1660 Ti.
 

rivaldinho

League 1
9 September 2003
Real Madrid
My win10 is digitally linked to my Microsoft account so I shouldn't have to purchase a new windows licence, as I should be able to download the iso iso use my account info to move my licence

So if my budget was 700 quid what would you recommend for a full build
 
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Coopz

Retired Footballer
27 April 2002
Back again thinking about another PC upgrade lol

Whats does everyone think to a 5700XT GFX card with Ryzen 3600 CPU with a MSI Tomahawk MAX B450 board?

Baring in mind this is going from a I5 3570k CPU and GTX 1070 graphics card.
 

spektarm

Premier League
6 October 2006
Manchester United
Back again thinking about another PC upgrade lol

Whats does everyone think to a 5700XT GFX card with Ryzen 3600 CPU with a MSI Tomahawk MAX B450 board?

Baring in mind this is going from a I5 3570k CPU and GTX 1070 graphics card.
Depends on what you want to do with it, but I would (and will) personally wait for the new console generation to come out first, and then get a proper GPU whatever that might be at the time.
 

Coopz

Retired Footballer
27 April 2002
Depends on what you want to do with it, but I would (and will) personally wait for the new console generation to come out first, and then get a proper GPU whatever that might be at the time.
Just for gaming.

My current setup is doing alright at present, I can even game at 4k with mostly ultra settings albeit at 40 odd FPS. I don't even really need to upgrade really but I've got an urge to get some newer generation stuff that's futureproof lol.
 

spektarm

Premier League
6 October 2006
Manchester United
Just for gaming.

My current setup is doing alright at present, I can even game at 4k with mostly ultra settings albeit at 40 odd FPS. I don't even really need to upgrade really but I've got an urge to get some newer generation stuff that's futureproof lol.
If it's just for gaming, I would simply wait.

Future proofing is kind of a myth in some ways, especially regarding GPUs, it's just best to upgrade every few years and get some money for your old one on the second hand market.

With the new consoles practically right around the corner, it doesn't make much sense to upgrade your GPU now (especially with an AMD card), because you'd need a new one in a year or so anyway.
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
Processor wise you would definitely notice the difference as the 3600 would be twice as powerful as the 3570.
Processor wise AMD is the way forward now, there is absolutely no reason why anyone building a PC today would choose an Intel.

Graphics card wise you would be looking at a 15-20% increase in performance, which depending on setup isn't really worth it.
As the 1070 should be more than enough to play games @1440 at decent settings, as I used to have one a couple of years ago.

I would wait for GPU at this moment, the RTX 3000 series is coming next June and will no doubt bring a significant performance increase in Ray Tracing, as well as the usual 20% increase in actual graphics performance.

In regards to waiting to see what is in the next gen consoles - I would be incredible surprised if they have a GPU more powerful than a 5700XT in them.
 

spektarm

Premier League
6 October 2006
Manchester United
I thought the RTX 3000 series is coming around Q4 next year, definitely looking forward to June now if that's the case! :D
 

bsmaff

International
11 August 2003
Welwyn Garden
Exeter City
I thought the RTX 3000 series is coming around Q4 next year, definitely looking forward to June now if that's the case! :D
Latest reports suggest Nvidia could be ready to show them off at CES in January, with the cards being launched in June.
Given that Nvidia believe the future is now Ray Tracing after 4K 60FPS has now finally been conquered, they are probably working on getting Ray Tracing working without such a massive hit to GPU performance.

So I reckon there will be more dedicated RTX pipes in the new cards which will could give a 50% Ray Tracing performance increase, and the usual generic 15-20% performance increase in normal games.

I only recently purchased a RTX 2080 Super, so unless there is a massive significant performance upgrade in the RTX 3000 series I will not be investing and will wait for the RTX 4000 series.
 
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