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VAR is destroying my soul

Stan

Allez les Lionceaux !!!
12 September 2002
Mattmid, your extreme example has happened in real life, can't rememeber where, but it is not fiction and the officials made a correct (but not a just) decision.

But has this something to do with VAR? No, not at all. The rule is ridiculous. Change the rule and this will not ahppen again.

People also criticise that goals are not validated because a player is a few millimetres offside. I don't see the problem. Offside is like pregnancy: you are either pregnant or not, you can't be marginally pregnant. So being very, very, very marginally offside is still being offside... It is ridiculous that a goal is disallowed because a player is 1 mm offside? So when does it cease to be ridiculous? If the player is 2 mm offside? 3mm? 30mm? 300mm? 3.000mm?

Of course there are absolutely ridiculous things, ap layer is considered offside because his armpit is offside? This is completely Monty Phytonesque. I challenge you to score a goal with your armpit…(imagine people trying this...hilarious). Is VAR to blame for these absurdities? Not at all.

FIFA should take a look at the rules considering that VAR is there to stay and that now the officials can see the finest margins. Rewrite the rules considering what VAR can do and the problem is solved.

In this whole thread i haven't seen a single problem that is caused by VAR. But this becoming my favourite thread on evo web. This discussion is very important and enjoyable. I hope that the powers that be will have a similar discussion, but i doubt it.

Oh and what have i learned since VAR is functioning? That most pundits are completely ridiculous and daft people.
 

P34SEMM

@iam_emmo
2 November 2011
Romford
Liverpool FC
We are the only country that uses the lines. If you need the lines to determine whether someone is offside then its not clear and obvious so the goal should stand. Weve already seen Martin Aktinson from the control centre fudge the lines so that Firmino looked offside Vs Villa when he was clearly onside.
The ref should be made to look at the pitch side screen without lines (like in the MLS and other countries) and if he cannot see a blatant offside then it should be goal.
 

Stan

Allez les Lionceaux !!!
12 September 2002
The lines are also used here in Belgium, in Germany, Italy and (i think) in Holland. I'm pretty sure that they are also used in Europe. How can one Judge off-side without the lines?

And if you use an example of something outrageously wrong, don't use an example of your favourite team. That is the problem with much fans who complain about VAR, they only complain if it disadvantages their own team. And it seems lots of English fans think that there are conspiracies against their favourite team. I'm a Spurs fan and what i read on twitter from other Spurs fans is ridiculous. Why d so much English fans think everybody is against their favourite club?
 

mattmid

Champions League
15 December 2011
Mattmid, your extreme example has happened in real life, can't rememeber where, but it is not fiction and the officials made a correct (but not a just) decision.

But has this something to do with VAR? No, not at all. The rule is ridiculous. Change the rule and this will not ahppen again.
What was the outcome of that example, a free kick to the other team back where the initial 'defending' handball was? Does it then become a penalty then if it's in the area?? As you say an absolutely crazy rule that needs to be changed.

As my team are in League 1, I could care less anyway at the moment :)

I do think it should be looked at quickly by VAR and if they think it's a tight offside/penalty call/violent conduct then simply tell the ref he should take another look and then he can go over to the Var screen and check it himself. That way there's no worry of undermining the ref and he's still making the decision.
 

mattmid

Champions League
15 December 2011
If that doesn't show what a complete farce that rule is then I don't know what will. So the handball was then deemed deliberate because it was an attacking handball? Or was this slightly different and it actually was a genuine handball anyway?
 

Stan

Allez les Lionceaux !!!
12 September 2002
If i remember correct it it wasn't an handball at all.
The handball rule is ruïning football, not VAR.

One might also wonder if the off-side rule should not be ruled.
 

P34SEMM

@iam_emmo
2 November 2011
Romford
Liverpool FC
The lines are also used here in Belgium, in Germany, Italy and (i think) in Holland. I'm pretty sure that they are also used in Europe. How can one Judge off-side without the lines?

And if you use an example of something outrageously wrong, don't use an example of your favourite team. That is the problem with much fans who complain about VAR, they only complain if it disadvantages their own team. And it seems lots of English fans think that there are conspiracies against their favourite team. I'm a Spurs fan and what i read on twitter from other Spurs fans is ridiculous. Why d so much English fans think everybody is against their favourite club?
I could list dozens but of course im going to remember the ones that affect my team.....but my other favorite one is the Sheff Utds wingers foot being offside nowhere near the penalty box v Spurs and the goal was ruled out.
I used the LFC one as well because what VAR has done has made Refs scared to Ref and when they make a mistake they fudge the lines to make it look like they were correct. As Chris Karama said on Goals on Sunday re the FIrmino goal - someone(LFC hating Martin Atkinson) at Stockley Park has made a decision to cancel a perfectly good goal to back up the ref. He put an A4 sheet on the screen and the line was diagonal.

For me Wolves goal against LFC shoud stand and so to Manes V Watford.

Also the stupid rule about handball in the box does my head in.
If a defender handles accidentally its not a pen but if a forward accidentally handles its a free kick. How can that be?
 

mattmid

Champions League
15 December 2011
Also the stupid rule about handball in the box does my head in.
If a defender handles accidentally its not a pen but if a forward accidentally handles its a free kick. How can that be?
There's no doubt that rule was made for VAR. I remember the one earlier in the season that went through two players but touched the attacker's arm without him or any other player or the ref having any idea it had grazed his arm (completely accidentally) and it's get ruled out for handball, absolutely farcical. Having two rules depending on if the team is attacking or defending is a complete joke. Hence my question about an extreme example of a shot hitting a defenders arm accidentally, so no penalty, but it rebounds and starts a counter attack that is scored from, does that handball then become a foul because it helped create a goal and is therefore now an attacking handball! Nonsense.
 

Stan

Allez les Lionceaux !!!
12 September 2002
To me the most absurd handball was the one in the CL final (now i'm also talking about my favourite team). It ruïned the most important match of the year in the second minute. It was Obvious that Sissoko never hand the intention the manipulate the ball with his hand. Mané was very close (he targeted Sissoko's hand, and i don't blame him, because the silly rule invites him to do that) and on top of that the ball touches Sissoko's chest before it touched his arm...even according to the stupid rule that isn't a handball (to be honest: LIverpool were the bestter team and deserved to win).
 

*aLe

World Cup Winner
30 August 2005
Lombardia
Too many!
I've lost my faith in VAR.

I mean, how can this not be a penalty?


Look at where it happened... Toloi could've easily scored from there had he been let free to reach the ball.


No penalty, and of course VAR satayed totally silent. 🤮🤡
 

Stan

Allez les Lionceaux !!!
12 September 2002
Of course this is a penalty, but i don't why you can loose faith in VAR when the error is clearly human in this case.
I'm still convinced that VAR is the way forward, but i could agree with people who calim that refs are protercting themselves and their colleagues, a sort of corporatism that is very negative for football.

The powers that be should talk woth the referees.

Atalatna are my favourite team in Italy, but it is not VAR who lost them two points...they missed a penalty with 3 minutes to play. Malinovsky should be their penalty taker, he rarely misses. I saw him 3 seasons at Genk (my favourite Belgian team). He is arguably the best set piece taker i've ever seen.
 

Cuky

International
23 June 2007
Rab, Croatia
Real Madrid, Hajduk Split
Our league debuted VAR this weekend. And it already had an interesting impact on one match. Varaždin vs. Hajduk. Hajduk got 3 penalties in that game all awarded after consulting with VAR while they also had a originally allowed goal dismissed because of offside that assistant missed to signal.
 
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