klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
I’m here to start off a topic discussing in depth and going beyond just video games and asking the question to every as people, how aware are we all of our own knowledge on a subject. My aim here is to get people thinking and opening their minds to question their own views and ideologies, getting people to better understand their own judgement and start to use empathy more, or just as much as they can, to better understand others and subjects they look into.
As I’m here we will look at how this related to the football games we discuss here with PES and FIFA, w will look at how the holistic ideology you display when discussing and playing games, how much you are affected by other people’s views, how much you stay on the bigger picture and the base perspective or get driven off by matters of non relevance. We will use this to better understand both sides of the duality of cheating.
I must start off by apologizing to everyone. At my time here in evo web, I may have provided the community with a few things but my attitude to everyone has been rather aggressive, at times over cynical and lacked empathy. I just look at my last argument with Nerf, i looked at how this was typical of my behaviour, my aggressive attacks to anyone who disagreed with me, getting under the skin of anyone who disagree if I had evidence that i was ‘right’. What i have learned is, it’s not necessarily always about being right. This is a black and white argument because what i forget si people will fundamentally believe what they want to, no matter what you present, it’s about your balanced intention. Do you want a positive outcome from your actions or do you just want to exercise and boost your ego. I’ve basically been a rather highly strung up asshole, which is eye opening considering I’m a highly laid back person in real life.
Now what i mean by Awareness of our subject and how it relates to our opinions on matters is simple. How well do you know for example the game, do you use the controls and ability bestowed to you in their full capacity, do you try to mix up and use as many different techniques as possible during your session? How many techniques do you know in the first place? Are you really an expert? This is something i could sense for years here, but could quite sum it up. I believe my ego got in the way. I’ll go into video game terms now, coming back later to how we can learn from this statement.
I was watching this video a few months ago, procrastinating, watched some of the cheating complains in PES 2012.
Here he shows plenty of conclusive examples of bugs/scripted cheating, the AI with an unfair advantage.
YouTube - PES 2012 Improved AI 3.mp4
/watch?v=OrkxN0GQH6o
/watch?v=sD2JvsWVpyI
/watch?v=rQ9rvsFLYSw
/watch?v=TrtdiwjvSF0
Some examples of bugs:
YouTube - PES 2012 Improved AI 4.mp4
/watch?v=XIvoW8lyFOE
Now it’s clear this game has plenty of room for improvement in pretty much every department, as shown here there are some issues which konami need to look at and these are well documented here, now going back to my point. There two sides to these videos, but the uploaded and gamer only see’s one, his side!
Have you noticed something else in these videos?
Well look at the uploaders point,‘I’m playing the game and I’ve been unfairly penalised because of cheating’. So he questions the game, rightfully,
However, Now flip that point the other way. ‘Cheating has occurred from me playing the game’. Now lets question him playing the game, how is he playing it?
Have you noticed in the instances he’s been cited cheating, where he’s running, how he’s running with the ball. There’s little creativity or invention once he’s on the ball, he didn’t look to try to pass it out wide, look to hold the ball even and look for other options, try a one two. He just expected to just run through everyone it seems. Most of the videos on his channel show him literally just holding down R1 and running towards goal, the way he used R2 to try unbalance the defenders was poor, he gave them time to set on balance and tackle him, so my conclusion was from these vids, Konami have some improving to do one hand, and he’s clearly quite bad and incompetent at the game on the other hand.
Something else which drove this point was when I asked in the FIFA section how many of the people knew the tricks and many people didn’t know how to attempt them. Again gave an insight to all the conditioning people put up around themselves.
In how much he’s lost perspective, this cheating has happened in every football game, just like in the old PES
YouTube - PES 2009 - PS2 - How the CPU cheats all the time.
But this is why I created this topic, i seem this issue where people don’t question their own awareness of the subject. If you look at his comment on the videos he bashed Konami constantly and doesn’t even question for one second how he approached the situation. This a common theme I see with video game reviews and opinions form users. I think in general the issues I see is people wanting and complaining about things not in the game rather than trying to understand what’s in front of them in the first place.
If a player doesn’t respect the game, he won’t ever question his ability or input playing it and any problems occurring will be blamed on the game mechanic, I’m sure I’ve been guilty of this many times and i see this happening everywhere. If a player likes and respects the game, once problems arise, they don’t blame the game, they blame themselves and make every excuse they can to protect the game, again something I’m sure I’ve done many a time. It’s about find a good balance and perspective while playing the game, judging the gameplay and once coming across a bug. In this era many people approach games with this false sense of ego and arrogance i see. This has been my problem with FIFA.
The metaphor for this is how I beat and how depression happens and occurs in the mind, it’s not accepting the situation you are in, not seeing the future for your situation and constantly looking back at disappointment. It’s as if football gamers constantly complain about the current games in this demand for a super, perfect game which doesn’t exist, rather than actually understand what’s infront of them to the fullest extent. Moving back away from games, i see this ideology in many people, always wanting things for fall their way, always wanting things they cant have, always looking on in jealous and not accepting their situation, rather than accepting what they have and looking to use what they have towards a positive outcome.
You are not in the situation you are in by random chance or accident, even if you where the chance you had has passed, it’s not reality, reality is where you are now, not where you could had been in the past. From all the lectures, videos I’ve seen recently since last year especially, and experiences in my life. I’ve come to a conclusion there's no such thing as random chance. Random is only a perception. For something to be random, it needed to be heading somewhere in the first place for it to deviate, thus from a perspective being seen and called random. One you get over this, you start to see how things connect and start to see the holistic process of all our lives.
I have enjoyed both FIFA and PES this year, I still don’t like FIIA but I really enjoy playing it against friends, the game does far more than enough to provide fun when playing vs a human on settings which compliment the games structure. I enjoyed PES when I’ve played in spurts, I’m enjoying it a lot now, and again using the point I’m making here just had a game where i as arsenal played away vs QPR, its perceived to me as if the game was cheating and it was scripted, me hitting the post so much, not being able to score easy chances, cisse then put them 1-0 despite the dominance, now before that I questioned how I was playing, using similar attacks, playing into their hands, i decided to switch Eto’o and van Perise around since RVP just wasant in the game and Eto’o pace was causing them issues so Eto in a deeper wide position would be useful where as RVP as the focal point up front would be better, I wont he game 2-1, RVP scored instantly after QPR did and i scored in the very last second of injury time. Again, another player would have quit the game in a rage.
I’ve been getting comfortable on superstar also using arsenal in manager mode, I finding defending quite easy now on the default game, on -2 just from changing the tackling mentality, I look to use Rosicky, Arteta to do the manual tackling from me, what I do is select either of them, run up ‘behind’ the CPU and tackle him that way, rather than getting constantly skinned face on. I’m not conceding many goals now.
Going back to FIFA, why I enjoy it is because I broken from the box that I placed myself in for FIFA 09, where I wouldn’t play with assisted controls because of the elitist total nonsense saying it’s cheap, again people not using empathy and not flipping their point around and seeing this is a very effective way for the game to run, this is what makes the game so popular, how easy it is to play, how you don’t need to sit there for 10 minutes sorting out the tactics, how you don’t need to worry about your left back will work with your midfielders and will Jenkinson make the same runs as Sagna like I do in PES, everyone is the same, it’s about me playing fantasy like football and using the same old routes, and it’s fun, it gets boring but it’s fun playing against mates, exciting games, closely matched games. This is why FIFA is so popular at my uni, anyone can play it, PES is difficult and people find it harder to get into, even the default arcade settings.
The best way to understand not just football games but anything in life is to explore the subject without any conditioning and barriers as much as you can have time to do. Set aside what you have been told, experiment, try to master all aspects of the game or test all aspects out to get a good awareness of what you are looking at. Don’t jump too quickly to conclusions if something is wrong, maybe it’s something you’re doing.
The conclusion I’ve come to scripting is it’s a two way thing, like everything in reality. Scripting is a predetermined event, and scripting will occur more to people who do the same things over and over again. Like Einstien said, even though it’s not wisdom but can be cleverly placed in on certain situations. The definition of insanity; doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Now you don’t have to use this for your video games, this is more important to implement this mentality into life, don’t keep beating yourself up with things which didn’t happen, no matter how near you got to, life is about making mistakes and learning from them, not beating yourself up because you made one, if mistakes didn’t happen, there would be no life in the first place, the world won’t pander towards your ignorance.
As you can see it’s not necessarily about playing video games, or about my opinion which ones better, it’s about what you think best suits you as a person. If you don’t like PES or FIFA, don’t play it, do something else, these so much out there in life to encounter, why are video games so import that they have to be good, you should be asking yourself why you closed your mind and reality into such a small box which revolves around video games, sitting there being cynical talking about how good a game should be isn’t helping your, me or anyone, companies do need our feedback to improve the game, but don’t clutch at straws hoping for the next game to be something perfect I say.
Any thoughts overs have? I like opening people’s minds and getting them to become a better version of who they are.
FOr anyone whos interested I'm going to prodcut tactics for all the EURO 2012, and i insist! Every PES patch uses them! I dam well do
As I’m here we will look at how this related to the football games we discuss here with PES and FIFA, w will look at how the holistic ideology you display when discussing and playing games, how much you are affected by other people’s views, how much you stay on the bigger picture and the base perspective or get driven off by matters of non relevance. We will use this to better understand both sides of the duality of cheating.
I must start off by apologizing to everyone. At my time here in evo web, I may have provided the community with a few things but my attitude to everyone has been rather aggressive, at times over cynical and lacked empathy. I just look at my last argument with Nerf, i looked at how this was typical of my behaviour, my aggressive attacks to anyone who disagreed with me, getting under the skin of anyone who disagree if I had evidence that i was ‘right’. What i have learned is, it’s not necessarily always about being right. This is a black and white argument because what i forget si people will fundamentally believe what they want to, no matter what you present, it’s about your balanced intention. Do you want a positive outcome from your actions or do you just want to exercise and boost your ego. I’ve basically been a rather highly strung up asshole, which is eye opening considering I’m a highly laid back person in real life.
Now what i mean by Awareness of our subject and how it relates to our opinions on matters is simple. How well do you know for example the game, do you use the controls and ability bestowed to you in their full capacity, do you try to mix up and use as many different techniques as possible during your session? How many techniques do you know in the first place? Are you really an expert? This is something i could sense for years here, but could quite sum it up. I believe my ego got in the way. I’ll go into video game terms now, coming back later to how we can learn from this statement.
I was watching this video a few months ago, procrastinating, watched some of the cheating complains in PES 2012.
Here he shows plenty of conclusive examples of bugs/scripted cheating, the AI with an unfair advantage.
YouTube - PES 2012 Improved AI 3.mp4
/watch?v=OrkxN0GQH6o
/watch?v=sD2JvsWVpyI
/watch?v=rQ9rvsFLYSw
/watch?v=TrtdiwjvSF0
Some examples of bugs:
YouTube - PES 2012 Improved AI 4.mp4
/watch?v=XIvoW8lyFOE
Now it’s clear this game has plenty of room for improvement in pretty much every department, as shown here there are some issues which konami need to look at and these are well documented here, now going back to my point. There two sides to these videos, but the uploaded and gamer only see’s one, his side!
Have you noticed something else in these videos?
Well look at the uploaders point,‘I’m playing the game and I’ve been unfairly penalised because of cheating’. So he questions the game, rightfully,
However, Now flip that point the other way. ‘Cheating has occurred from me playing the game’. Now lets question him playing the game, how is he playing it?
Have you noticed in the instances he’s been cited cheating, where he’s running, how he’s running with the ball. There’s little creativity or invention once he’s on the ball, he didn’t look to try to pass it out wide, look to hold the ball even and look for other options, try a one two. He just expected to just run through everyone it seems. Most of the videos on his channel show him literally just holding down R1 and running towards goal, the way he used R2 to try unbalance the defenders was poor, he gave them time to set on balance and tackle him, so my conclusion was from these vids, Konami have some improving to do one hand, and he’s clearly quite bad and incompetent at the game on the other hand.
Something else which drove this point was when I asked in the FIFA section how many of the people knew the tricks and many people didn’t know how to attempt them. Again gave an insight to all the conditioning people put up around themselves.
In how much he’s lost perspective, this cheating has happened in every football game, just like in the old PES
YouTube - PES 2009 - PS2 - How the CPU cheats all the time.
But this is why I created this topic, i seem this issue where people don’t question their own awareness of the subject. If you look at his comment on the videos he bashed Konami constantly and doesn’t even question for one second how he approached the situation. This a common theme I see with video game reviews and opinions form users. I think in general the issues I see is people wanting and complaining about things not in the game rather than trying to understand what’s in front of them in the first place.
If a player doesn’t respect the game, he won’t ever question his ability or input playing it and any problems occurring will be blamed on the game mechanic, I’m sure I’ve been guilty of this many times and i see this happening everywhere. If a player likes and respects the game, once problems arise, they don’t blame the game, they blame themselves and make every excuse they can to protect the game, again something I’m sure I’ve done many a time. It’s about find a good balance and perspective while playing the game, judging the gameplay and once coming across a bug. In this era many people approach games with this false sense of ego and arrogance i see. This has been my problem with FIFA.
The metaphor for this is how I beat and how depression happens and occurs in the mind, it’s not accepting the situation you are in, not seeing the future for your situation and constantly looking back at disappointment. It’s as if football gamers constantly complain about the current games in this demand for a super, perfect game which doesn’t exist, rather than actually understand what’s infront of them to the fullest extent. Moving back away from games, i see this ideology in many people, always wanting things for fall their way, always wanting things they cant have, always looking on in jealous and not accepting their situation, rather than accepting what they have and looking to use what they have towards a positive outcome.
You are not in the situation you are in by random chance or accident, even if you where the chance you had has passed, it’s not reality, reality is where you are now, not where you could had been in the past. From all the lectures, videos I’ve seen recently since last year especially, and experiences in my life. I’ve come to a conclusion there's no such thing as random chance. Random is only a perception. For something to be random, it needed to be heading somewhere in the first place for it to deviate, thus from a perspective being seen and called random. One you get over this, you start to see how things connect and start to see the holistic process of all our lives.
I have enjoyed both FIFA and PES this year, I still don’t like FIIA but I really enjoy playing it against friends, the game does far more than enough to provide fun when playing vs a human on settings which compliment the games structure. I enjoyed PES when I’ve played in spurts, I’m enjoying it a lot now, and again using the point I’m making here just had a game where i as arsenal played away vs QPR, its perceived to me as if the game was cheating and it was scripted, me hitting the post so much, not being able to score easy chances, cisse then put them 1-0 despite the dominance, now before that I questioned how I was playing, using similar attacks, playing into their hands, i decided to switch Eto’o and van Perise around since RVP just wasant in the game and Eto’o pace was causing them issues so Eto in a deeper wide position would be useful where as RVP as the focal point up front would be better, I wont he game 2-1, RVP scored instantly after QPR did and i scored in the very last second of injury time. Again, another player would have quit the game in a rage.
I’ve been getting comfortable on superstar also using arsenal in manager mode, I finding defending quite easy now on the default game, on -2 just from changing the tackling mentality, I look to use Rosicky, Arteta to do the manual tackling from me, what I do is select either of them, run up ‘behind’ the CPU and tackle him that way, rather than getting constantly skinned face on. I’m not conceding many goals now.
Going back to FIFA, why I enjoy it is because I broken from the box that I placed myself in for FIFA 09, where I wouldn’t play with assisted controls because of the elitist total nonsense saying it’s cheap, again people not using empathy and not flipping their point around and seeing this is a very effective way for the game to run, this is what makes the game so popular, how easy it is to play, how you don’t need to sit there for 10 minutes sorting out the tactics, how you don’t need to worry about your left back will work with your midfielders and will Jenkinson make the same runs as Sagna like I do in PES, everyone is the same, it’s about me playing fantasy like football and using the same old routes, and it’s fun, it gets boring but it’s fun playing against mates, exciting games, closely matched games. This is why FIFA is so popular at my uni, anyone can play it, PES is difficult and people find it harder to get into, even the default arcade settings.
The best way to understand not just football games but anything in life is to explore the subject without any conditioning and barriers as much as you can have time to do. Set aside what you have been told, experiment, try to master all aspects of the game or test all aspects out to get a good awareness of what you are looking at. Don’t jump too quickly to conclusions if something is wrong, maybe it’s something you’re doing.
The conclusion I’ve come to scripting is it’s a two way thing, like everything in reality. Scripting is a predetermined event, and scripting will occur more to people who do the same things over and over again. Like Einstien said, even though it’s not wisdom but can be cleverly placed in on certain situations. The definition of insanity; doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Now you don’t have to use this for your video games, this is more important to implement this mentality into life, don’t keep beating yourself up with things which didn’t happen, no matter how near you got to, life is about making mistakes and learning from them, not beating yourself up because you made one, if mistakes didn’t happen, there would be no life in the first place, the world won’t pander towards your ignorance.
As you can see it’s not necessarily about playing video games, or about my opinion which ones better, it’s about what you think best suits you as a person. If you don’t like PES or FIFA, don’t play it, do something else, these so much out there in life to encounter, why are video games so import that they have to be good, you should be asking yourself why you closed your mind and reality into such a small box which revolves around video games, sitting there being cynical talking about how good a game should be isn’t helping your, me or anyone, companies do need our feedback to improve the game, but don’t clutch at straws hoping for the next game to be something perfect I say.
Any thoughts overs have? I like opening people’s minds and getting them to become a better version of who they are.
FOr anyone whos interested I'm going to prodcut tactics for all the EURO 2012, and i insist! Every PES patch uses them! I dam well do
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