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European Top 24 Clubs .....

ortansevin

CLOSED USER !!
1 April 2005
Bagdat Caddesi / Istanbul
Fenerbahce SK



European Top 24 Clubs .....

1 Lyon 39
2 Bayern 36
3 Chelsea 33
4 Juventus 33
5 Inter Milan 30
6 Arsenal 28
7 Fenerbahce 26
8 Barcelona 26
9 Man United 23
10 Milan 22
11 G.Rangers 22
12 PSV Eindh. 22
13 Liverpool 19
14 Lille 18
15 R.Madrid 18
16 Bremen 16
17 Schalke 16
18 Benfica 16
19 Brugge 14
20 Betis 14
21 Porto 13
22 Ajax 13
23 Olympiakos 12
24 Villarreal 11


STARTING TOP 24 TEAMS

ENGLAND: Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester United

ITALY: AC Milan, Juventus, Inter Milan

SPAIN: Barcelona, Real Madrid, Real Betis, Villarreal

GERMANY: Bayern Munich, Schalke 04, Werder Bremen

NETHERLANDS: PSV, Ajax

FRANCE: Lyon, Lille

SCOTLAND: Rangers

TURKEY: Fenerbahçe

PORTUGAL: Benfica, Porto

GREECE: Olympiakos

BELGIUM: Club Brugge




 
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ClassicD

Galáctico
11 November 2001
Glasgow
Celtic
That show/table is garbage. It's fundamentally flawed because it counts all domestic leagues as equal, i.e. a win in Holland for PSV at home to NEC counts for as much as Inter winning away to Juventus in Serie A.
 

Revan

out the window
8 August 2003
Madeira, Portugal.
FC Porto
It's based on results, not the quality of the teams. Isn't results what football is about? We reach the end of season we should see the domestic leagues winners on top. to see who is above who they use the CL.
 

ClassicD

Galáctico
11 November 2001
Glasgow
Celtic
I'm saying the table is flawed, because winning a domestic game in Scotland, Holland, or Portugal, is worth as much as winning one in Serie A, La Liga or the EPL. It's much tougher to win a game in a bigger league, but that's not reflected in the points and is why you end up with, for example, Fenerbahce ahead of Barcelona and AC Milan.

It's the same reason why the Golden Boot award gives 3 points per goal scored in Italy, Spain, etc, and only 1 point for a goal scored in Scotland - the quality of opposition has to be taken into account.
 

Stan

Allez les Lionceaux !!!
12 September 2002
Well Classic that is typically for the way players in the big competitions receive preferrential treatment. I know that the Italian league is ùmore difficult than the Belgian, Scottish or Dutch, but a goal is a goal everywhere...from the pint of view of the striker (and only the striker) it is as difficult to score a goal against Brussels as against Real Madrid (insert any team you want).

A,nd about that ranking...well it is stupid to compare things that cannot be compared but the ranking itself can not be that bad giving the fact thatLyon are top of the table and they truly are one of the best teams in Europe (cfr their thrashing of Real Madrid in the CL). It is stupid however that only 24 clubs are considered.
 

Revan

out the window
8 August 2003
Madeira, Portugal.
FC Porto
Yeah I get your point, Classic, but to find a consensous on this is hard. If we asked everyone to make a list, at the end of the season, of the the 24 top clubs of the year there would be enourmours differences between everyone's list.
 

ClassicD

Galáctico
11 November 2001
Glasgow
Celtic
I agree with both of you guys. I think a truer way of finding out the best teams is surprisingly, UEFA's own co-efficient system. It's based only on European results I think, and covers the previous few seasons. That means those teams who don't do well enough in their domestic league don't get the chance to climb the co-efficient ranking. The only problem I have with that system is it covers the previous five seasons, maybe a bit too long.
 

rockykabir

hello
30 March 2003
London -> New York -> San Francisco
Liverpool FC
Stan said:
from the pint of view of the striker (and only the striker) it is as difficult to score a goal against Brussels as against Real Madrid
Mate, It's as difficult to score against my sunday league team as against Real Madrid! ;)

I agree with the UEFA system being more accurate but you are then faced with a problem with teams carrying out a mass exodus of their best players (especially after so called lesser teams do so well). A team that has done relatively well over the past 4-5 years may not be the same team currently.
 

Gedtillo

Mediocentro defensivo
13 July 2004
I think that wins should be 4 points for English, Italian and Spanish teams, as those leagues are by far the most balanced and powerful in Europe. Then German, French and maybe some other I am forgetting should score 3, then the rest should score just two.

BTW, personally I consider much harder for Real Madrid to win at Atlético Madrid's than to win at Grasshopper's...
 

ThomasGOAL

Retired Footballer
15 March 2003
France
Top 24 Clubs updated :


1 Lyon 42
2 Bayern Munich 39
3 Chelsea 36
4 Juventus Turin 36
5 Arsenal 31
6 Inter Milan 30
7 Fenerbahçe 29
8 FC Barcelone 27
9 Manchester United 26
10 Glasgow Rangers 22
11 Milan AC 25
12 PSV Eindhoven 25
13 Real Madrid 22
14 Liverpool 19
15 Werder Brême 19
16 Schalke 04 19
17 Lille 18
18 Ajax 16
19 Benfica 16
20 Olympiakos 15
21 FC Bruges 15
22 Betis Séville 15
23 Porto 14
24 Villarreal 14
 

Glavisted

Premiership
20 July 2005
Lima, Perú
From the IFFHS World Clubs Ranking (October 2005)

01.
Inter de Milán - 310
02.
Liverpool - 290
03.
AC Milán - 267
04.
Bayern Munich - 263
05.
Manchester United - 257
06.
CSKA Moscú - 245.5
07.
Sao Paulo - 244
08.
Olympique Lyon - 241
09.
Auxerre - 236
10.
Arsenal - 235
11.
PSV Eindhoven - 234
11.
Boca Juniors - 234
13.
Villarreal - 229
14.
Chelsea - 227
15.
Juventus - 222
16.
Newcastle United - 219
17.
Sporting Lisboa - 215.5
18.
AS Mónaco - 215
19.
AZ Alkmaar - 213.5
20.
Internacional - 201
20.
Cerro Porteño - 201
22.
Santos - 196
22.
Werder Bremen - 196
24.
Schalke 04 - 196
25.
Austria Viena - 193.5
26.
Real Betis - 190
27.
Celtic - 183
28.
Banfield - 182
28.
Shakhtar Donetsk - 182
28.
River Plate - 182
31.
Partizán Belgrado - 180
31.
Real Madrid - 180
33.
Olympiakos - 179
34.
Guadalajara - 178.5
35.
LDU Quito - 175
35.
Barcelona - 175
35.
Sevilla - 175
38.
Fluminense - 173
39.
Atlético Paranaense - 172
40.
Athletic Bilbao - 168
40.
Udinese - 168
42.
Rangers - 164.5
43.
Atlético Junior - 163.5
44.
Palmeiras - 162
45.
Lille - 161
46.
Benfica - 159
46.
Ajax - 159
48.
Parma - 157
49.
Club Brujas - 156
50.
Middlesbrough - 155
 

ThomasGOAL

Retired Footballer
15 March 2003
France
European Top 24 clubs before the CL and UEFA games

1 Lyon 45
2 Bayern 40
3 Chelsea 39
4 Juventus 39
5 Inter Milan 33
6 Fenerbahce 32
7 Arsenal 31
8 Man United 29
9 Milan 28
10 Barcelona 28
11 PSV Eindhoven 28
12 Glasgow Rangers 25
13 Real Madrid 24
14 Bremen 22
15 Benfica 22
16 Liverpool 22
17 Schalke 20
18 Lille 19
19 Brugge 18
20 Betis 18
21 Ajax 17
22 Olympiakos 15
23 Villarreal 15
24 Porto 14
 

ThomasGOAL

Retired Footballer
15 March 2003
France
Sulph said:
Stupid because the french league is nothing compared to the English.
No, you are stupid !
So why English clubs take so many players from French League :lol:

Gallas, Drogba, Cech, Essien and L.Diarra, please comeback :lmao:
 
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Sulph

Goodbye...
28 September 2003
No, i dont mean it like that, i mean it that Lyon should not be judged on the points they get in the same way that the English teams should, because their opponents are tougher.
 

ThomasGOAL

Retired Footballer
15 March 2003
France
Sulph said:
No, i dont mean it like that, i mean it that Lyon should not be judged on the points they get in the same way that the English teams should, because their opponents are tougher.
Manchester United 0 - 0 Lille :roll: big difference


Man Utd = 3rd of the Premiereleague
Lille = 9th of the Ligue 1

and Manchester United play at home
 
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Sulph

Goodbye...
28 September 2003
Thats notw aht i mean man. Results come and go, teams get lucky, look at the united squad right now, its depleted.

The English, Spanish and Italian leagues are all tougher in comparison to the French league, that is a fact.

Thats why 4 teams go to the Champions League from Italy, Spain and England. 4/20, as its a bigger achievement to win the EPL than the French League.
 

ThomasGOAL

Retired Footballer
15 March 2003
France
Sulph said:
Thats notw aht i mean man. Results come and go, teams get lucky, look at the united squad right now, its depleted.

The English, Spanish and Italian leagues are all tougher in comparison to the French league, that is a fact.

Thats why 4 teams go to the Champions League from Italy, Spain and England. 4/20, as its a bigger achievement to win the EPL than the French League.
UEFA =

1 - Liga
2 - PremierLeague
3 - Serie A
4 - Ligue 1
5 - Bundesliga

so ok, you are "2" and ligue 1 are "4" because you have 4 big teams (Che, Man, Ars & Liv) with alot of money, but i think the medium and little teams from France are better than medium and little teams from England, you understand ?
 

Sulph

Goodbye...
28 September 2003
But the medium little teams are not as good as the medium and little teams from England. Thats why UEFA let 4 teams in from England and not France, its not as big of an achievement to win the Ligue than it is to win the EPL.
 

RuneEdge

Silent Assassin
1 October 2003
Manchester United
No point explaining it to him, Sulph. He's only disagreeing with you because he's defending his country, thats all. The standard in EPL is much higher than at Ligue. Which is why Sulph rightly pointed out, we get 4 teams to qualify for the CL and you lot dont.
 
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