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I think Konami is doing just fine destroying Pes themselves..
eFootball PES 2020 Discussion Thread (PS4/Xbox One)
- Thread starter Lami
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Dieci
League 2
- 26 November 2011
I don’t see any difference in the juve stadium. How can they not add the new juve striped jersey?
Aribo n Ojo
League 1
- 29 July 2019
Why? Best football game we have had since PES 6? I do agree that for 12 13 years they destroyed it but surely the future is looking good again? And we know EA try and crush the competition to take them out of the equation. They do to Konami what they done with 2k in the US no?
Aribo n Ojo
League 1
- 29 July 2019
Are those that played it earlier talking shit? Im prob not going to get on til tomorrow to see
Disappointing as it sounded like a another good update.Best thing to do is not read any pros and cons what people write, you'll always get people who say nothings changed, konamis shit or whatever. Try it yourself and make your own mind up. I've like every patch theyve done so far, not trued this one yetAre those that played it earlier talking shit? Im prob not going to get on til tomorrow to see
slamsoze
International
- 28 September 2010
What did they do to 2k?
tosser
League 2
- 10 June 2018
No, but it's the best PES game since PES 19
Are those that played it earlier talking shit? Im prob not going to get on til tomorrow to see
Played 2 games earlier and felt exactly the same, ie. shite. Ever played Cricket 19? Noticeable differences/improvements with every patch, and based on user feedback
Aribo n Ojo
League 1
- 29 July 2019
Nah why would i play Cricket 19 lol
Aribo n Ojo
League 1
- 29 July 2019
They destroyed NFL 2k which was by far the superior product gameplay wise compared like PES is with Fifa. The Americans were raging! Madden has never even came close the NFL's 2k's gameplay in all these years.
https://www.usgamer.net/articles/the-moment-madden-nfl-killed-nfl-2k-forever
Konami cannot compete with EA's money sadly hence we see licenses lost for the current PES 2020, Has this ever happened before?
slamsoze
International
- 28 September 2010
But in the NBA case, 2k with NBA2k mopped the floor with EA's face.. They shut it down two times! So i do not think it is always like this. Also we saw BvB license being lost , one month before PES 2019 release, it is not the same, but similar.
Aribo n Ojo
League 1
- 29 July 2019
Thats because EA could not lock them out the license like they do with Konami/football and NFL. If they ever get their mitts on the license solely it's game over for 2k even though NBA Live is rotten.
Konami had the license for Dortmund and they lost it to EA 1 month after it 19 released? Wow thats crazy if so.
slamsoze
International
- 28 September 2010
One month BEFORE release. But we come back to my words. NBA, EREDIVISIE, Ligue 1, are not idiots that sell their rights to everyone. If a franchise has an easy accessible policy to licenses, no EA can lock out anyone in the world.
PESV
Championship
- 28 April 2002
Activated placebo shield. Booted the game. First feeling: nothing new to see here...
..... IF YOU HAVE PLAYED THE DEMO. Because 1.03 plays like a refined demo gameplay imho. Pretty fucking awesome.
Tackling and deflections require more precision. CPU and player tackling magnets are reduced, back to demo levels. As an effect the ball is more loose.
Overall, just like the demo, its first and foremost about your ability to deal with the physics engine and your football instinct then it is about the traits of your controlled player. Freedom at last.
Tackling and deflections require more precision. CPU and player tackling magnets are reduced, back to demo levels. As an effect the ball is more loose.
Overall, just like the demo, its first and foremost about your ability to deal with the physics engine and your football instinct then it is about the traits of your controlled player. Freedom at last.
PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
So let’s get back to topic.
Played a match and from the kick off...
aaaahhh... lets give it a try!
alright, I tried my first commented video ever. as the idea/action came out of nowhere, the sound quality is rubbish, the spoken word sparse and its only a snippet...
I'm shy!
NOT!!!!!
...but German!
bet spoony started off small as well!
...though not as a German, I bet!
I'm shy!
NOT!!!!!
...but German!
bet spoony started off small as well!
...though not as a German, I bet! - randomness
- pace
- AI Aggression
- collisions
- loose balls
...all to the better, imo.
Haven’t found something that got worse yet.
- pace
- AI Aggression
- collisions
- loose balls
...all to the better, imo.
Haven’t found something that got worse yet.
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Dieci
League 2
- 26 November 2011
Do passes feel more random and lose like the demo? I also feel I have more time on the ball before the defense swarms me. Feels a bit more like the demo. Is it true or just my imagination?
Aribo n Ojo
League 1
- 29 July 2019
So let’s get back to topic.
Played a match and from the kick off...
aaaahhh... lets give it a try!
long live the community!alright, I tried my first commented video ever. as the idea/action came out of nowhere, the sound quality is rubbish, the spoken word sparse and its only a snippet...
I'm shy!
NOT!!!!!
...but German!
bet spoony started off small as well!
- randomness
- pace
- AI Aggression
- collisions
- loose balls
...all to the better, imo.
Haven’t found something that got worse yet.
So it's good then guys? This place is crazy... First comments were its good, Then its all placebo now more good comments.. ah fuck it will try and get on it tonight.
So let’s get back to topic.
Played a match and from the kick off...
aaaahhh... lets give it a try!
long live the community!alright, I tried my first commented video ever. as the idea/action came out of nowhere, the sound quality is rubbish, the spoken word sparse and its only a snippet...
I'm shy!
NOT!!!!!
...but German!
bet spoony started off small as well!
- randomness
- pace
- AI Aggression
- collisions
- loose balls
...all to the better, imo.
Haven’t found something that got worse yet.
Hiya, can I ask to questions please
1. With the reduced AI aggressiveness, Is the game still compact like after previous two patches? The defensive line hasn't started dropping off again has it? Or massive spaces all over the pitch
2. How do I download the patch without messing up my option file ie klashman tactics etc from the pes universe file I'm using?
Thanks as always...
PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
I did not read any placebo comments. Just the usual.
As the AI isn’t that lethal and aggressive they HAVE to use more tricks and slow play... I like it.
More loose and bouncy balls between players and into the free part of the pitch. More deflections I’d say.
A tiny bit of vanilla physicality is back. I’m shoving more players around and saw new collision animations between players in certain situations. Nice.
Slower shot, cross and set piece pace I’ve seen. Not that lethal the AI finishes are.
To the better the game has evolved. Yoda out.
Side note: because the game feels a tad slower, animations like the one where player shoves the opponent with 2 arms to slow him down while running for the loose ball, look better, imo!!
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AI Players tend to not make those “endless” runs forward but like 10-20 meter sprints to get in position and then turn and open up to receive the ball.
More AI trickery that leads to AI mistakes. Saw Aguero flicking me stupid on the left side and releasing the cross to early while doing so. Slow lofted cross right into my defenders feet who was waiting calm in front of goal.
All the little changes free’d up some animations that where seen only occasionally.
Remember that blindly heading backwards animation while jumping?!
Falling to ground with 2 players colliding had a animation (in combination with the player collision) I’ve not seen before.
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PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
1. All good mate. At least nothing I’ve noticed. As said from others, better attacking flow because of lowered AI aggression. Still the klashman tactics stand tall.
2. I installed LaLiga and EPL over the DP3. Option Files coming next week. I’m good only playing the game now.
Polished!! I’m telling ya. Baby steps but steps none the less!
What’s gotten worse with the latest version, I’m asking the community?
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1. All good mate. At least nothing I’ve noticed. As said from others, better attacking flow because of lowered AI aggression. Still the klashman tactics stand tall.
2. I installed LaLiga and EPL over the DP3. Option Files coming next week. I’m good only playing the game now.
Polished!! I’m telling ya. Baby steps but steps none the less!
What’s gotten worse with the latest version, I’m asking the community?
1. Brilliant, sounds like a great update.
2. Sorry I didnt quite understand regarding the update wiping the tactics. Are you saying the update does wipe the tactics? And you've installed the patch again? Or is there some way to avoid wiping tactics etc?
I'm confused by what effect data packs have on option files...
aussiepesfan
Champions League
- 17 April 2002
...for me definite gameplay improvement again..yes baby steps.
Few things to note:
1. Some of the new national kits are amazing..YES ITALIA HAS NEW KITS !! Including the 3rd new green kit!!! Spain n Germany n Japan n Belgium also seen updated kits yay
2. Some peeps here mentioned (as well as Konami in the notes) r2 finnesse using full manual was finally fixed...hmm went to training mode with messi..salah etc...still seems the same ti me??? Anyone confirming its improved. Btw i use both r2 and L2(aiming arrow) when performing it..
Few things to note:
1. Some of the new national kits are amazing..YES ITALIA HAS NEW KITS !! Including the 3rd new green kit!!! Spain n Germany n Japan n Belgium also seen updated kits yay
2. Some peeps here mentioned (as well as Konami in the notes) r2 finnesse using full manual was finally fixed...hmm went to training mode with messi..salah etc...still seems the same ti me??? Anyone confirming its improved. Btw i use both r2 and L2(aiming arrow) when performing it..
PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
Collisions and ref decisions on them are judged differently in some instances now.
Looks like less rocket shots. Again, better slower ball pace when shooting. Love that.
Noticeably more passing errors from big teams. Lovely.
Remember that animation were your player gets a ball played behind him and he sticks a leg out, ball deflects and opponent grabs it? As the AI is not super aggressive anymore I just recovered 2 of those in like 2 minutes with the player that lost it.
Test the dribbling yourself! I liked and like to go through 2 close opponents. But snatching through in between them from walking animation and then double pressing sprint. Try that move and tell me dribbling ain’t change due to AI being less „super human“ but more human.
Overall pace seem to not have changed but animations and whole flow due to the changes. The weight to shots feels better, imo.
When it’s about loose balls I think they found a better balance of getting those ball back. There is a chance now. Feels so much better and doesn’t annoy over time when it happened like 70/30% (from my guts) in favor of AI like before. It’s just better.
Someone slap that big grin out of my face please!!
Looks like less rocket shots. Again, better slower ball pace when shooting. Love that.
Noticeably more passing errors from big teams. Lovely.
Remember that animation were your player gets a ball played behind him and he sticks a leg out, ball deflects and opponent grabs it? As the AI is not super aggressive anymore I just recovered 2 of those in like 2 minutes with the player that lost it.
Test the dribbling yourself! I liked and like to go through 2 close opponents. But snatching through in between them from walking animation and then double pressing sprint. Try that move and tell me dribbling ain’t change due to AI being less „super human“ but more human.
Overall pace seem to not have changed but animations and whole flow due to the changes. The weight to shots feels better, imo.
When it’s about loose balls I think they found a better balance of getting those ball back. There is a chance now. Feels so much better and doesn’t annoy over time when it happened like 70/30% (from my guts) in favor of AI like before. It’s just better.
Someone slap that big grin out of my face please!!
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PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
That’s what I did, see above.
But I just did a quick run. EPL and LaLiga as new OFs coming next week.
Haven’t checked on the errors it caused but tactics are there, kits and everything as well. But I’m not a database guy (like our professionals here at the board) so im not sure if it possible have messed up something.
Awesome. How do I tell which are the tactics files? Or did you import everything related to epl and la liga?
PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
I just ticked LaLiga and EPL files, both boxes, GO! Headed into edit mode. Quick check. All good. Buli still there as well and klashman tactics are applied. I don’t know for sure wich teams and players where affected by the DP3! Ask the specialists please.
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PESV
Championship
- 28 April 2002
I had enough for now, will give it another shot tomorrow. While my initial reaction was very positive, after playing some more its a bit of a mixed bag for me. I first thought that, taking another step back to the demo shows confidence so they must of found the right balance this time and resolved all the issues the AI and the referee where having with leaving most things up to the physics engine.
That balance is not quite there yet. For starters, the AI is still not fully at ease when its not as previously 'assisted' by somewhat more hardcoded tackling and ball control. Also, yet again, certain teams leave a lot of space between midfield and defence. Finally, the pace, its too damn fast. Be it passing or running.. too freaking fast which makes everything look slightly unrealistic, especially some CPU passes. I think thats the only way for them to keep the AI a challenge.
Peace out.
That balance is not quite there yet. For starters, the AI is still not fully at ease when its not as previously 'assisted' by somewhat more hardcoded tackling and ball control. Also, yet again, certain teams leave a lot of space between midfield and defence. Finally, the pace, its too damn fast. Be it passing or running.. too freaking fast which makes everything look slightly unrealistic, especially some CPU passes. I think thats the only way for them to keep the AI a challenge.
Peace out.